好市多機油和Honda原廠機油的差異

Accord7th wrote:
Mobil-1 Ra...(恕刪)


這位日本人,認為是一樣的產品
日本濕氣重,為了防潮以及環保,機油都用鐵罐裝,
由於塑膠瓶身有微小的孔隙,熱脹冷縮下,濕氣會穿透塑膠瓶,進入瓶身污染機油
舉個例子,中油的四號煞車油就是使用鐵罐裝,以防濕氣污染煞車油
汽水鐵罐裝的氣泡會比保特瓶的氣泡來的多,也是這個原理

http://members.at.infoseek.co.jp/Gonta1/mobil1rp.htm#t

提供參考!


另外可從德國賓士與機油商的認證合約完整編號022技術文件 Sheet 022 內容,可知產品差異不大

好市多的MOBIL 1 0W-40有取得 德國賓士MB229.5機由認證,下列德國賓士油品認證官網可查詢的到

http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolistenmain.php?content_action=showselect&navigation_path=bevolisten&language_id=0&blatt=229.5&suchbegriff


德國賓士 編號022技術文件 Sheet 022 通過認證的機油廠必須遵守的合約內容

http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/d/d/en/Spec_022_0.pdf

合約內容第二項規定,通過認證的機油廠商商品行銷於全球,只要該機油品牌名稱通過賓士認證並登記於賓士認證通過的機油名單上,當該機油行銷於全球並掛名通過賓士認證的機油,機油廠商都必須向賓士負責(無論該項通過認證的機油品牌名稱在全球的那一個工廠生產或是在全球哪一個國家銷售,認證都是相同並且有效),並遵守022技術文件合約內容(總共16項合約規定包含下列第三項規定),
2. The Company is responsible to Daimler AG for ensuring compliance with the provisions of
the “ Obligations Regarding Approval for Operating Fluids ” throughout the world. When using an identical
product name, the approval is also valid in countries other than those listed in the “ Mercedes - Benz
Specifications for Operating Fluids, ” regardless of where the product is manufactured or distributed.

通過德國賓士機油認證廠商,必須遵守認證機油合約,第三點明白規定機油廠商

3. The Company may distribute different formulations of the operating fluid under one and the same
product name if Daimler AG has tested and approved each formulation individually. Each formulation
distributed under the same product name must display the same performance quality.

上文的油品認證合約中,這些通過並取得賓士認證的機油廠商的產品,可能在行銷全世界販賣時,共同使用同一個機油產品名稱,但是不同地區可能有使用不同的機油配方,(大石油公司的機油工廠遍佈球,機油的原料,基礎油,機油添加劑等,向靠近機油工廠的配合供應商購買所以配方會有些許的差異,但差異不大)
,所以產品要取得認證前,賓士會逐一檢驗這些相同名稱,但各地方(如美國,亞洲,歐洲)不同配方的機油版本,並且這些使用相同名稱的機油產品,卻採用不同配方的產品,全部都要送驗並通過德國賓士檢驗,以確保通過認證使用相同機油名稱但不同配方的產品,都有一樣的性能表現,另一方面合約上也規定機油廠商也必須向賓士保證這些通過認證,行銷全球使用相同名稱的機油,無論從全球何處購得,都有一樣品質標準及效能表現,不能有所差異.

由這一個賓士編號022認證文件中,第三點可得知,德國賓士原廠認證名單上的機油產品,如為同一個機油產品名稱,無論為美國製造,或是歐洲製造,日本製造,賓士油品的認證部門嚴格要求機油生產公司,讓通過認證的機油產品在同一個產品名稱下,不同地方製造或不同配方的機油,加入賓士車中,都有相同的性能品質表現,
,我們消費者可安心使用.

轉貼完整德國賓士與機油商的認證合約完整編號022技術文件 Sheet 022 內容

Obligations Regarding Approval for Operating Fluids
Daimler AG, at the request of
– hereinafter referred to as “ the Company ” –
has tested the product called Provided the Company fulfills the obligations and conditions given below, Daimler AG will include the
above operating fluid in the “ Mercedes - Benz Specifications for Operating Fluids ” and approve it foruse in Mercedes - Benz vehicles and assemblies.

1. The Company shall not distribute any product under the above product designation anywhere in theworld other than the operating fluid tested and approved by Daimler AG.

2. The Company is responsible to Daimler AG for ensuring compliance with the provisions of
the “ Obligations Regarding Approval for Operating Fluids ” throughout the world. When using an identical product name, the approval is also valid in countries other than those listed in the “ Mercedes - Benz Specifications for Operating Fluids, ” regardless of where the product is manufactured or distributed.

3. The Company may distribute different formulations of the operating fluid under one and the sameproduct name if Daimler AG has tested and approved each formulation individually. Each formulation distributed under the same product name must display the same performance quality.

4. If the applicant seeks approval for operating fluids of various qualities on different sheets of the Mercedes - Benz Specifications for Operating Fluids, these product names must differ from one another by more than simply the SAE grade. The SAE grade may therefore only be used to differentiate between the viscosity, not the quality. Single grade and multigrade oils must be given product names that can be clearly and unambiguously differentiated from one another.

5. The Company shall at all times be able to inform Daimler AG as to which formulation is or
was being distributed in any given country at any given time.

6. The Company shall on all containers, price lists, and on all other sales and advertising documents, completely and clearly label the approved operating fluid in Latin letters with the exact same product name given above. Brand labels owned by Daimler AG ( such as “ MB ”, “ Daimler ”, etc. ) must not form part of the product name.

Only valid with signature on page 2

7. The Company shall on all containers, price lists, and on all other sales and advertising documents for the approved operating fluid, print the following text using the exact wording solely in English or German language shown here:
“ MB - Freigabe XXX.XX ” or “ MB - Approval XXX.XX ”.

8. The Company shall not use its approval( s ) for marketing purposes and in no manner or form in its advertising.

9. The company undertakes to send Daimler AG a label from both the front and rear side of a sales container (e.g. a 1-liter can) via BEAM (the service product application module; http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/
beam – Processes – Upload Label) when sales start (but no later than 6 months after receipt of the MB - Approval letter) if such items were not included in the application. If Daimler AG does not receive a copy of the label via BEAM within 6 months of receipt of the MB - Approval letter, the MB - Approval shall automatically be rendered null and void.

10. If the approved operating fluid or its product name is altered in any way, the approval will automatically become null and void. Should the Company intend to alter the formulation of the approved operating fluid or the product name, the approval process must be repeated at the specific request of the Company and Daimler AG will again decide whether or not to grant approval. A minimum of twelve weeks prior to the alteration must be allowed for the re-approval process for the altered operating fluid or product name.

11. The company undertakes to inform Daimler AG each year in the yearly verification whether the abovementioned service product is being marketed unchanged under the product name.
The yearly verification shall be prepared within 8 weeks of the end of the 12-month period relative to the approval date in BEAM (http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/beam – yearly verification). If the yearly verification is not provided, the MB - Approval shall automatically be rendered null and void and the service product shall be removed from the Mercedes-Benz Specifications for Operating Fluids.

12. The Company agrees to contractually oblige its dealers and agents, as well as all other resellers, to use,
in connection with the approved operating fluid, only the product name specified above in all dealings with third parties ( in particular for its sales operations ).

13. There exists no obligation on the part of Daimler AG to grant approval, even should the Company fulfill all the conditions of these obligations Regarding Approval for Operating Fluids. Daimler AG may revoke approval at any time.

14. Approval is effective as of the date of issue of the approval certificate.
The following applies in addition for engine oils: For original products, approval will expire automatically after a period of five years. The term of approval for rebrands /reblends is limited to the term for the respective original product and can therefore not exceed five years.

15. Approval does not imply any obligation on the part of Daimler AG or its service organization to procure the operating fluid.

16. Written notification will be provided to the Company of any changes made to these approval obligations.Such changes shall be deemed approved if no written objection is received from the Company within a period of six weeks following the announcement of the changes. Daimler AG will make special mention of this consequence when announcing changes.
JOY1632 wrote:
這位日本人,認為是一...(恕刪)


樓上的大大多謝分享, 但日文實在看不懂, 可否好心翻譯一下.

多謝啦.....
沒想到換個機油的問題,會有這末熱烈的討論.....
但我想這應該是隨人高興的問題,
喜歡用原廠的比較安心就用吧~
喜歡經濟實惠的平行輸入也可以!
這就像喜歡去百貨公司買東西,還是去量販店購物......爽就好嘛!
也有人會說量販店的東西品質會比較差.....那也可以不要買~
但是有些覺得可以用就好的人(省錢)就很適合量販店的東西...

哪裡買機油其實都沒差......
原廠機油也有分等級呀.....價格也不同......
當然效果也會有些差異!

不過不管哪一種車的引擎只要符合油品規格絕對都可以用,
而且不會故障,如果HONDA的車不能用便宜的機油.....那公司早就倒閉了~
當然有些原廠會把相同號數的機油添加一些配方,讓機油等級更高...或效果更好....
所以售價當然更貴,
一台好車除了工藝水準......
最重要是堅固耐用...經濟實惠.....最好還要豪華氣派.....

如果要用原廠的比較安心,但又要便宜...
那也可以透過管道買到原廠機油....總是比在原廠買便宜~
我透過原廠員工拿原廠機油大約是牌價的6折.....
也是原廠更換......這也是一種辦法~

至於好事多的機油價格早就被各經銷商抱怨了...
不過我實際用過的感覺.....真的不錯用啦.....



我是馬老馬~
很久前
有一陣子,因為買新車的喜悅
一定要去汽車百貨買
[日本原裝進口四公升鐵罐裝] 的機油
最便宜也要約1600,等於一公升要 NT$400,至少哦..
還買過2200的

後來加入好市多
使用好市多的機油


我必須說,好市多的機油也有不同的三種到二種牌子
也是有差的,這應該是品牌愛好問題

但你問我跟那[日本原裝進口四公升鐵罐]有沒有差別

二個字:沒有...(同系數去比)

網路上有很多說法,那當然
有人開大賣場擋你財路,你不會來點差別論的說法嗎...
好市多的 銀色塑膠瓶 MOBIL 0W40 SM級 和 日本鐵罐 MOBIL OW40 RP版 SM級.
小弟開起來, 感覺有差, 很明顯.

好市多的 MOBIL 0W40,
只有省油, 和 起步那一瞬間的拉轉速, 會感覺輕快,
市區中低速開起來很順暢.
但是爬山 或 上高速公路拉高轉速, 會覺得引擎運轉很粗糙, 很澀, 轉速愈高,油門反應愈頓.
用過2500~3000公里之後, 明顯感到更嚴重, 也就是大家說的衰退感.
連市區開個20分鐘, 就感到引擎力道衰退.
恨不得馬上換掉.

日本鐵罐 MOBIL OW40 RP版.
RACE PROVEN 版
配方有加強,
起步一樣輕快, 省油性也高.
拉高轉速, 操一段時間, 不會那麼快虛掉.
但整體表現, 仍屬於著重實用的中低速. 拚超高尾速仍嫌不夠.(拚尾速用5W-50, 5W-60..會比較好)
用過3000公里之後, 拉高速一樣有衰退感, 只是沒那麼嚴重.
市區中低速的表現, 能持續用到 5000公里以上, 力道的飽實感, 仍有一定的水準. 比較有"長效"的感覺

PS: 小弟習慣5000公里換油.


LU660104 wrote:
好市多的 銀色塑膠瓶...(恕刪)


有差這麼多嗎?
會不會是心理作用???
推Cosco啦!
便宜又好用!
我問過美孚經銷商

依他說法 HONDA原廠油 & 好市多 Mobil 1 確實來源 & 配方有差

不過最後他說了一句話 兩瓶機油的差距再怎麼有差異也不值得450

給各位想想看囉
Allen Yeh
twope18t wrote:
好市多Mobil01...(恕刪)

這讓人想起1999左右,出現的99元甚至66元機油,清一系列Q8機油,BP機油,ESSO機油,SHELL機油,都說什麼
是有管道大量進口,反正就是便宜殺到進口價,賠本成本好康回饋,結果在台中被抓到全都是假的,還上了報,最後通通被判刑。
有空上上司法院看看吧,以下簡單節錄.

臺灣高等法院 臺中分院 裁判書 -- 刑事類
共86 筆 / 現在第3 筆 第一筆|上一筆|下一筆|最末筆 |友善列印|
【裁判字號】 95,上更(二),300
【裁判日期】 961017
【裁判案由】 違反商標法等
【裁判全文】
臺灣高等法院臺中分院刑事判決   95年度上更(二)字第300號
中  華  民  國  96  年  10  月  17  日
附表一:八十八年八月二十六日於福元公司(臺中縣太平市○○
○街六六號)查獲之物品明細。
仿冒金美孚一號機油:三九瓶
仿冒白金美孚機油:一七三瓶
附表二:八十八年八月二十六日於臺中縣太平市○○○路二一九
巷六五、六七號地下工廠查獲物品明細(詳細備註部分
請參閱臺灣臺中地方法院檢察署八十八年度聲字第二四
九八號卷第三七至三八頁)
收貨人為金維士公司之紙箱:五個
仿冒ESSO機油包裝紙箱:一二00個
仿冒MOBIL機油包裝紙箱:二000個
仿冒BP機油包裝紙箱:六八四0個
仿冒CASTROL機油瓶蓋:一二五00個
仿冒Q8機油空瓶:三四0個
仿冒Q8機油瓶蓋子:四000個
仿冒MOBIL機油空瓶:一0二00個
仿冒MOBIL機油瓶蓋子:二0000個
仿冒SHELL機油空瓶:一八七0個
仿冒BP機油瓶蓋子:二0000個
仿冒BP機油瓶空瓶:四九00瓶
仿冒MOTOR UP油精空瓶:一四五八0個
仿冒MOTOR UP油精瓶蓋:六000個
仿冒MOTOR UP油精包裝紙箱:三八00個
抽油馬達:二台
封箱機:一台
包裝機:一台
裝罐機:一台
五0加侖油桶:四桶(內含機油)
一000公升油桶:一四桶(內含機油)................


最近上網看到 Mobil 1 0W40 鐵罐 RP Y拍價 一罐 320~360 元 ,
若是這樣的話大家都上Y拍買不就得了(原廠630 >.<),但是小弟遲遲不敢下手(怕買到假油,傷引擎)
相信大家想買Mobil 1 0W40 鐵罐 RP 很多吧,Mobile01 這邊有人在辦團購的嗎?
還是有白店,可推薦的 ? 甘溫
takashi737 wrote:
最近上網看到 Mob...(恕刪)


這個東西在Y拍上面已經出現很久了...
個人覺得應該不會是假油啦...仔細看了一下上面的標籤
看起來應該沒有什麼問題...上次我也有打給MOBIL的業務詢問...
他說應該是有人拿出去外面賣...
有買過的人可以分享一下經驗...

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