這感覺就像是,某個自稱正義的民間組織,沒有司法審判權
卻找了一堆你20年前的國小同學,出來說你國小某次月考有作弊
然後因為你放棄抗辯
所以證明你有作弊,
他們決定要取消你國小之後所有的畢業證書
也決定你終身不得參加任何考試
請問,是你的話,你服氣嘛?

1.不是司法機構,憑什麼審判我?
2.憑什麼我要抗辯,不能放棄?放棄代表有罪?
3.憑什麼回收我之前所有的畢業證書?
4.憑什麼決定我終身不得再考試?

看起來,就是一整個不合理,就是針對壯哥來的
真好笑, 環法是UCI的事. 有甚麼褫奪不褫奪的?
這樣看來, 將來我們會看到
孔子和平獎的頒發機構"中國鄉土藝術協會"去褫奪劉曉波的諾貝爾和平獎囉
上月球應該也算是一種高耐力高強度高危險性的極限運動.
太空人光是要練抗G能力.事前體能訓練就操爆不手軟.
所以搞不好也是有用禁藥.

Quote from ESPN report: Miguel Indurain calls probe 'strange'

Former champion Miguel Indurain says Lance Armstrong should keep his seven Tour de France titles until drug charges are proven by a single authority recognized by everyone in the sport.

Five-time Tour winner Indurain says "until an organization recognized by all decides to the contrary, the Tour victories are his."


「旅行不是為了孩子會記得這趟旅程,而是我們旅程的回憶裡有他們。」 - 網友分享
歐吉桑認為這個事件背後有商業動機
抓禁藥或是遮蔽禁藥還是用美國貨最好

kyyo wrote:
這感覺就像是,某個自...(恕刪)



單純就羅輯而言

如果USADA只是"某個自稱正義的民間組織,沒有司法審判權"

那壯哥幹嘛要向法院提出上訴?

代誌恐怕沒有憨人所想的那麼簡單...
阿姆斯壯過去所有的藥檢都呈陰性反應
七屆冠軍的過程裡他都是不斷的被用放大鏡檢視
但至今也沒有任何人或任何機構有找到過他任何服用禁藥的事實

USADA這次也沒有拿出任何證據,所有指控都是推論而已
不過是個自以為有權力,卻不負責任的機構
Bull1688 wrote:
單純就羅輯而言如果U...(恕刪)


節錄自 http://www.usada.org/about

About USADA

The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization for the Olympic movement in the United States. The U.S. Congress recognized USADA as "the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the United States."

Since its inception in 2000, USADA has worked to preserve the integrity of competition, inspire true sport and protect the rights of athletes in the Olympic & Paralympic movement in the United States. With the vision to be the guardian of the values and life lessons learned through true sport, our organization's anti-doping programs are comprehensive, including in-competition and out-of-competition testing, results management and adjudication processes, drug reference resources and therapeutic use exemption process, scientific research initiatives, and athlete and outreach education. We continue to work to improve our system and anti-doping endeavors to further protect clean athletes and the health of future athletes.

As a non-profit, non-governmental agency, our programs:

Provide deterrence and preservation of sport for athletes, coaches, students, teachers, parents, scientists and more through education and resources;
Include numerous protections for athletes to ensure that only athletes who are guilty of a doping violation are sanctioned;
Strive to systematically identify and sanction those individuals who are engaged in the effort to gain an advantage over athletes who are competing clean; and
Fund pioneering research for the detection of doping substances and techniques, and the pursuit of scientific excellence in doping control.


USADA 美國國會承認的一個機構 2000年開始運作 不是政府組織
而且承認只限於USA並不是一個國際組織
所以要是有熟悉整個國際運動生態的人可以來解惑一下會比較好 :)
唷唷
就算是讓我吃1KG的禁藥我也騎不完環法

Bull1688 wrote:
單純就羅輯而言
如果USADA只是"某個自稱正義的民間組織,沒有司法審判權"
那壯哥幹嘛要向法院提出上訴?
代誌恐怕沒有憨人所想的那麼簡單......


單就法律而言...
我如果公開發文污衊你的人格
你會不會告我?

禁藥這種東西...很微妙...
標準是60的時候...你吃70的藥..那不算禁藥..
可是當標準變70的時候..你還吃70的藥..那就會受罰...
所以..就要開始吃80的藥...
等標準提高...吃的藥也要跟著換...
古早以前...吃類固醇是可以的...後來不行
後來改用紅血球增長素..後來也不行...
這藥好像是中國長跑先搞出來的..
先把人拉到高地去訓練...再吃藥刺激紅血球生長..
再停藥...等代謝掉...剛好參加比賽...
這時候的紅血球數量比一般人高..換氧效率好...

總之...法律有不溯及既往...
不能用現在的標準...去否定過去的成績....
這樣搞...很多紀錄都要打問號

不過....我也不清楚...壯哥到底是吃啥藥被抓到有問題....
標準是誰訂的?
還有...a比賽的a單位沒說有問題...b單位跳出來說有問題...
這....算啥啊....
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