Audi A3 2.0 TFSI + Quattro?真的嗎?

不太一樣喔!
兩個引擎週邊是有差別的
舉凡進排氣之類的
s3的引擎週邊是配合s3的大馬力而生
比比看就知道了,原廠265匹跟改裝265匹就是有差別
兩輛車的Quattro分配前後輪扭力的比例是否相同也值得研究
gtiturbo wrote:
兩輛車的Quattr...(恕刪)


大大說的沒錯!
a3 3.2quattro的扭力分配為50/50,2.0TFSI應該也會是這套系統
s3為40/60,此種偏向後驅是操控取向
由此可見兩台車是非常不同的!
Naricissistic, my god I love it
別太相信國內媒體拉車出去拍拍,不追根究底查證的報導,Haldex絕對是全時四驅。

為了我的S3,曾經問過Haldex,因為我的問題包括一些LSD以及ESP搭配的問題,所以Haldex回覆也不少,僅僅節錄跟前述討論有關的部份。

回覆者署名Ulf Herlin,是Haldex的VP

簡單來說,S3 Haldex能把力量100%全部傳輸到後輪去,平時可以40~45%傳至後輪,如果加速的話,會傳輸60~70%至後輪,至於怎麼分配0~100的比例,跟車子動態,重心變化,都有關聯。

1. There are situations where near 100% torque transfer to the rear axle occur. An example is if the front wheels are on ice and the rear wheels are on tarmac. In that case the front wheels have (almost) no grip. In that case, the haldex coupling will transfer all torque to the rear axle and prevent front wheel spin. On uniform surfaces however, the coupling can not
transfer all torque to the rear axle. See below.

2. We need slip over the coupling in order to be able to transfer torque.That slip (rotational speed difference between the front and rear axle) is created by different tyre rolling radius (front to rear) and drive slip between the tyre and road. The rolling raduis difference can be created by differently worn tyres (or different dimensions, something that should be avoided) and different load. In most cars, the front axle has a greater load than the rear axle, which causes the roll radius of the front tire to be smaller than the one for the rear tyres (given the same nominal size). This gives us the possibility to transfer torque to the rear axle also when no slip occurrs on the front tyres.

During cruising which a constant velocity, we have the possibility to transfer up to 40-45% of the torque to the rear axle, given nominal tyres. During acceleration, the weight transfer increase the front tyre slip and decreases the rear axle slip, giving us the possibility to achieve more or less the same torque distribution as the dynamic weight distribution.
Generally speaking, depending on the vehicle somewhere around 60-70% is possible to achieve during a full acceleration. Note that we are still talking about a uniform surface, with no spin on the front wheels.
Naricissistic, my god I love it
Aluminum wrote:
可以看看這裡Hald...(恕刪)

嚴格來說算是全時!像R32就是95:5!幾乎前驅!確實在有必要時才會分配給後輪!
我相信S3裝的也是跟R32的一樣,至於分配的比例,不敢肯定一樣!
Haldex自己也出改裝品給R32跟S3使用!出了3個模式,原廠,sport跟racing!
後面這個模式就是50/50!強制分一半給後輪,但後輪並無法超過50%!
Haldex不只做給前製引擎用,1001匹的車上也是(事實上是VW和Haldex合作)
或許這台前後比例的分配會不同,但在R32上,後輪是無法超過50%的,不然出的改裝品就會有後倫比列較大的選擇!
hibruce wrote:
嚴格來說算是全時!像...(恕刪)

Hibruce可以試試,把你的R32前輪處於空轉的狀況,看看是否如Haldex人員所述,動力全數移轉至後輪,還沒機會試我的,在此之前,我相信“官方”的說法,畢竟一些論壇和媒體,說法都不一致。
Dopefish wrote:
Hibruce可以試...(恕刪)

問題來了,就算分配50%,前輪空轉時,後輪也是會轉啊!怎麼得知把所有的動力全數轉給後輪!
就跟LSD有比例的不同,應該不易看出!
不只台灣的媒體如此寫,我看過老外的網友也是如此討論的,R32上的Haldex(連賣Haldex的國外店家也是如此解釋)後輪是無法分配超過50%的!
PS我車賣了,也沒法試了!
hibruce wrote:
問題來了,就算分配5...(恕刪)

因為我沒多問,Haldex沒有特別提到R32和S3設計差異,但照原廠人員舉的例子,如果前輪是在薄冰上,動力會全數轉給有抓地力的後輪,我能想到的方法是在前輪無抓地力,後輪有的時候,看看前輪是否會停止輸出動力?只是不知道這樣的情境,要怎麼搞的出來...
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