聯航機位超賣逼乘客下機濺血拖離「華裔男」

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hercules6681 wrote:
不好意思~對美國的...(恕刪)


可以看一下字典的解釋。 簡而言之,當聯邦法和州法起衝突,聯邦法贏。 可怕的是法院用了Any這個字。 任何的範圍是有多大?

TD4 wrote:
我要先聲明,提到這...(恕刪)


If I remember correctly, in McDonald's coffee case, the jury has already rendered a verdict but the judge reduced the amount of damage awarded. McDonald has lost.

In contrast to McDonald, this UA matter has not been adjudicated yet but UA CEO's admission of responsibility and the doctor did nothing wrong could haunt them later in court. I am not saying it will hurt UA's case in court 100% but if this matter is ever litigated, you bet the doctor's attorneys will try get CEO's statements in as admissible evidence for the jury to hear :)

If you are interested, you can purchase a book on Federal Rule of Evidence as many states adopts a similar version of evidence code. You will appreciate the many ways to try to get a piece of evidence in. If you cannot get a piece of evidence in due to denial based on "character evidence"
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_404
However, how about get that piece of damaging evidence in under impeachment? :) The list goes on and on.

Given that UA might be able to find escape under the supreme court decision in regards to at least some of the potential tort claims, it's not surprising the doctor's attorney is looking into litigate against UA, airport, and the city to broaden the net.

Regardless, things just does not look good for UA. UA is in a lose/lose situation right now. Imagine this matter goes to court and the court throws out enough tort claims. How would the public react?

crab69 wrote:
結果傻蛋還贏過麥當...(恕刪)


麥當勞一開始就有提出賠償,只是數額沒談攏,當時該公司的確自認並無違法,所以才有後來的官司

我前面都說了無數次,聯航處理方式有錯,問題是適用哪個法條跟責任範圍

不知道你為什麼總覺得是自己贏了,別人護航失敗?

這論壇只是讓每個人拿自己的看法跟某些例子出來討論討論而已,不是批鬥大會

dennis10 wrote:
不會啦這我發生過....(恕刪)


這要看航空公司跟機場

失蹤掉的行李用快遞送到家的情況我看過好幾次了

justdreamer wrote:
. I am not saying it will hurt UA's case in court 100% but if this matter is ever litigated, you bet the doctor's attorneys will try get CEO's statements in as admissible evidence for the jury to hear :)...(恕刪)


對呀,所以CEO的發言都是些 「最大的歉意」、
「這種事情不該發生」跟「我們要確保照顧到每個客戶」之類的客套話
但是沒有任何具體認罪的內容

TD4 wrote:
我前面都說了無數次,聯航處理方式有錯,問題是適用哪個法條跟責任範圍

不知道你為什麼總覺得是自己贏了,別人護航失敗?

這論壇只是讓每個人拿自己的看法跟某些例子出來討論討論而已,不是批鬥大會...(恕刪)



批鬥大會? 你弄錯了吧

是只要有人的說法漏洞很大, 就會被人指出他的錯誤, 提出質疑而已
如果說法沒有錯, 根本不會有人戳好不好

至少這棟樓裡, 航警的部分就不會有人質疑說航警不該上飛機, 也不會有人說航警絕對不可以動手拉人(不過用合氣道手法把人的臉撞向扶手這個就比較過份了)

並沒有我覺得自己贏了別人護航失敗阿, 難道你是在護航所以你覺得你自己失敗嗎?

只是基於有些錯誤的言論恐怕會誤導社會大眾, 誤導觀眾, 我提出了質疑, 說你講的話有漏洞, 是不對的, 這樣而已

不過你現在的說法, 跟之前兩天怎麼差別好大啊


你原來說基於機票合約, 聯航有權隨時隨地解除陶醫生的座位, 要他走就必須走, 陶醫生不能抗拒, 只能先離開, 事後再控告航空公司, 向航空公司求償


現在卻改口了?

那到底聯航是可以趕人下機, 還是不能趕人下機啊, 之前說可以, 現在說可能不行, 搞得我好亂啊


CUFOX wrote:
觀念錯誤,
合約不只有寫UA的載運義務,還有寫明可以解除載運義務的條件。
單純的證明UA沒有載運,並不能證明UA違約,還須證明當時不符合所有可以解除載運義務的條件。

...(恕刪)


不是合約寫得密密麻麻的,就吃了無敵星星

上法院, 合約被法院判決無效, 敗訴賠錢的多得很

duran1144 wrote:
好奇一問。
此案雖然起因是UA聯絡航警處理旅客不願下機,但真正動手執行造成乘客受傷的是航警; UA 如果在此案進行賠償, 可否轉向航警單位提出告訴求償?...(恕刪)


不需要那麼麻煩, 大公司的律師團都是狠腳色, 如果要把責任歸咎於航警, 聯航在開庭時直接推卸責任, 說人是你航警弄傷的, 跟我聯航沒關係, 這樣比較快

推卸責任比另外控告要快得多了, 也更好用

不過聯航在賠償之後, 會不會向當天第一線那位地勤經理控告求償, 這就很難講了
因為之前就有網友提過, 光靠地勤經理一人就讓公司損失幾億美金, 也算奇葩

CUFOX wrote:
觀念錯誤,
合約不只有寫UA的載運義務,還有寫明可以解除載運義務的條件。
單純的證明UA沒有載運,並不能證明UA違約,還須證明當時不符合所有可以解除載運義務的條件

這是辯方的內容好嗎,控方不需要證明"不符合條件"只要指名不履約(不論對錯)"事實"...辯方才要根據不履約事實提出抗辯(根據合約xxx條約...我們有權解除ooo的約定),除非辯方之前就很明確告訴你是根據xxx條款執行,那才會針對該條款進行說明

justdreamer wrote:
If I remember correctly, in McDonald's coffee case, the jury has already rendered a verdict but the judge reduced the amount of damage awarded. McDonald has lost.

In contrast to McDonald, this UA matter has not been adjudicated yet but UA CEO's admission of responsibility and the doctor did nothing wrong could haunt them later in court. I am not saying it will hurt UA's case in court 100% but if this matter is ever litigated, you bet the doctor's attorneys will try get CEO's statements in as admissible evidence for the jury to hear :)
...(恕刪)


美國的判例習慣跟台灣有一個很大的不一樣的地方, 就是在案發後, 你被告的言行舉止, 是不是有認錯, 在後續的刑度跟賠償金額影響很大

套句中國大陸的說法, 叫做坦白從寬, 抗拒從嚴

台灣就比較沒有那個習慣, 常常會硬凹到底, 所以台灣面板廠被美國控告的案例, 才會判得那麼重
兆豐銀行的美國洗錢案被判罰款那麼重, 也是一樣的道理

CUFOX wrote:
觀念錯誤,合約不只...(恕刪)


那是聯航要舉證的問題跟提告者無關
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