如果天下第二人Pippen 沒和喬丹同隊,是否就沒有喬丹傳說,更有可能超越喬丹的成就????

球德洛 wrote:
漢米爾頓是喬丹帶的...(恕刪)


你是只看新聞還是看球?

不鳥喬登??

還是你沒看過漢米頓的訪問是怎麼說喬登的?

發文亂屁多了就變專家了?
個人覺得Jordan 沒有pipes or Kobe 沒有 O'Neil 會怎樣真的沒太大意義,
畢竟都是既往的事實,
也是沒辦法被改變的歷史。

只是,Jordan 在退休這麼多年後,
還能被津津樂道,
這才是最不簡單的成就。
很難超越喬丹,但一切都只假設而已。

great943286 wrote:
如果當年 Pippen...(恕刪)
一堆人不知道在不服氣喬登什麼?

哪個冠軍隊沒紅花和綠葉

哪隻球隊是靠一個人得總冠軍的

喬登的地位是每個對手講的

而那些對手都是名人堂成員

有哪個人說喬登是靠皮朋?

一堆人比名人堂成員還強

sphenoid wrote:
1998 NBA Finals Game 6
公牛贏下這場,取得第六冠

是誰硬是贏下這場,拿下冠軍的?

Pippen在這場的貢獻其實是很有限的
背傷發作,上場26分鐘,得8分...(恕刪)


原來只是這樣就叫做有限
你只需要數字就好了嗎?
你需要嗎?
我手上有這場整場的比賽影片
你可以看看當pippen不在場上時
其他球員的荒腔走板
當然
我知道你有說你不是要貶低他
當是說話還是要說事實
我當年是看live好嗎?

還是只是字義上的誤解?
少了pippen所以特難打
所以Jordan那場累的跟狗似的
當初pippen背傷下場時我心中的X還記憶猶新

但那個某人還是硬把game 拉住了,再來個完美ending
所以說pippen那場貢獻有限(我不是說潛在能貢獻的最大值,是說事實上的結果)

那怎麼還贏?誰是真正的alpha?

完整影片我怎麼可能找不到
Phil Jackson的原文書我看了五、六次
教練怎麼看Pippen跟Jordon講得很清楚
絕沒有這邊標題裡最後一句話這種印象
"如果天下第二人Pippen 沒和喬丹同隊,是否就沒有喬丹傳說,更有可能超越喬丹的成就????"
我的意思是最後那句不成立,不是前面兩句

當年的新聞報導
THE N.B.A. FINALS; Pippen's Pain Pushes Jordan to Greatest Feat - June 15th, 1998

引用
"Pippen's restricted effectiveness touched every part of the Bulls' strategy, from rebounding to defense, from offense to Jordan.

Without Pippen, Jordan was left to fight the fatigue of this long series and long playoff run. Somehow, he made up the void. Jordan stripped the ball from Karl Malone with 18.9 seconds left, then hit the game-winning shot with 5.2 seconds left to give the Bulls the title."

建議讀讀內文免得以為我斷章取義

然後Jordan也不是這邊某人想要描寫的那樣
他跟Phil都很明確的說,Pippen讓Jordan打得更輕鬆,也才能多拿幾個冠軍
不過誰是隊上的alpha從來沒有疑問

"Jordan has always known how important Pippen has been to his success and to his team's.

''I think Scottie Pippen is a major reason why we're here,'' Jordan said before Game 5. ''I think he's a unique and creative player. The harmony between us is incomparable. You can't compare it to anything. It's just a rhythm you build with another player. To play without him is like a slap in the face for me.''

This was Jordan wondering how he would play next season if Pippen bolted from Chicago as a free agent. Pippen wouldn't commit to anything tonight."





教練Phil Jackson的觀點
Last running of the Bulls, part 4
可以從這段開始讀下去
"I talked to Michael in the locker room before Game 6 in Utah. He was the last one to get taped, and Scottie was lying on a table near him getting ice and electric stimulation for his bad back. Scottie had hurt himself taking so many charges from Malone and others. I said, "Mike, do you think you can go 48 tonight?"

最後三分鐘到底發生什麼事
"Scottie was really hurting, so Michael became our offense. I told him to go to the hole because he didn't have enough energy for his jump shot. The Jazz were just smacking him every time he drove, and he was making his free throws. When Stockton made that three to give the Jazz a three-point lead with 41 seconds to play, I called time and told the players we had a two-for-one situation: If we stopped them and scored twice, we'd win.

No matter how confident you are as a coach, you really don't want to go into a seventh game on an opponent's court. We've never played a Game 7 in the Finals, and there was no reason to start now.

Michael hit a layup to make it 86-85. And then he came from the backside and stole the ball from Malone. At that moment, I think we were of one mind. I was waving for him to go downcourt. I think he saw me out of the corner of his eye waving off a timeout. The flow was the right thing at the moment, so we didn't want to stop.

We spread the floor, and Michael waited until Bryon Russell reached for the ball, and then he went up for a jump shot near the free throw line. I was really surprised, because I thought he would take it to the hoop again, because his legs were gone. I didn't know if he could do it, because he was so tired. But Michael always rises to the occasion. He cleared himself, and you can see in the video that he put extra stuff on the shot, and it was perfect."

關於Jordan對於最後一擊的心態,可以參考 Phil 對於 Game 5 最後一擊,設計給Tonic,Jordan的反應是那無所謂(若Toni進了,那Jordan生涯就此結束的意思)
還有,實際場上執行時,因為爵士防守選擇讓Harper看不到Toni而傳給Jordan。因此最後由Jordan出手而後失手。事後Jordan對自己心情的描述是這樣的:
"He said the moment was "cute." He was the mistress of the moment, and he was fascinated by it."
(可以跟某些人意圖描述的自私自大形象比對一下,這是當事人的描述)

完整描述在此
"I actually diagrammed the last play of the game for Toni Kukoc, who had shot 11-for-13 from the field. As much as I wanted Michael to have that crowning glory, I figured it was a wonderful time to use him as a decoy. And Michael wasn't bothered by that. But the Jazz threw Greg Ostertag on Ron Harper when he inbounded, and Harp couldn't see. I might have used Pippen, because he's taller, but he had fouled out and I had nobody else tall who was used to doing it. So Harper got the ball to Michael.

Michael had that off-balance three-point shot from the right corner to win it. Not a great shot, but a shot. Afterward, he talked about how much he enjoyed that. It was a Hail Mary shot, and he had a very Zen-like comment about it. He said the moment was "cute." He was the mistress of the moment, and he was fascinated by it. If that had been the winning shot, it would have been like cheating the Devil, or God. For him to go right on to another chapter, another critical game, was remarkable."

福利. 有中文字幕的專訪


最後
1998 NBA Final Game 6 Full game
Pippen無論是能力或天賦都是一哥
只是MJ太強
但巔峰Pippen跟Dream Team其他人比都不會輸
過去20年來有資格當一哥的去當二哥都成就霸業
Pippen to MJ
Drexler to The Dream
DRob to Duncan
Kobe to Shaq
Shaq to Wade
Wade to LBJ

籃球本來就是團隊運動
一人球隊不管扛霸子多強
AI跟LBJ都表演過了
LBJ還表演過很多次
MJ跟Kobe都第一輪掰掰

要奪冠隊上有兩個Superstar就是基本盤
最好再來一兩個Allstar等級的助拳

公牛能連霸就是陣容很齊全
兩個神人年紀很接近
一起進入巔峰狀態
又另外有allstar 眼鏡俠跟小蟲幫了很大的忙

打籃球比到最後就是看誰天賦點滿
甚麼球隊陣容多豪華都沒用
就是最強的五個放上去看天賦

Superstar如果矮了點 慢了點 就是會輸給會飛又很快的
當年能跟公牛競爭的就是火箭
只是命運讓他們沒碰面
比天賦比各方面都不相上下

brotherneilss wrote:
你是只看新聞還是看...(恕刪)


你說的訪問是後來
但一開始巫師時代的漢米爾頓和其他球員,的確不鳥喬丹
喬丹覺得這群年輕人不受教,年輕人覺得喬丹以老賣老
昨日的浪子~柯林髮落, 今日的巨星~球德洛, 明日的傳奇~褲濕啦 , 永遠的女神~愛田由
如果天下第二人Pippen 沒和喬丹同隊,是否就沒有喬丹傳說,更有可能超越喬丹的成就???





樓主,你知道的太多了
昨日的浪子~柯林髮落, 今日的巨星~球德洛, 明日的傳奇~褲濕啦 , 永遠的女神~愛田由
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