<最新> 580克的win8pro平板確定能玩英雄聯盟，你還會想買IPAD4嗎?

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pooik wrote:

6. 其實我覺得真的就是習慣的問題, 因為win8整合了觸控跟傳統桌面的介面, 不同的情況下要有不同的介面, 不然就直接拿掉傳統桌面就好啦, 所以桌機請使用傳統介面, 筆電無觸控的也使用傳統介面, 有觸控的筆電或pad, 就可使用metro UI, 我自己是這樣區分的.

7. 一開始ipad限制一大堆, 到後來大家不就也習慣了 ? 反而是windows開始把彈性給了大家, 大家卻反過來怪說為甚麼要這麼開放, pad就是pad不需要有這麼多彈性...看了真的覺得很好玩!

8. 我看好win8未來的發展, 畢竟微軟是老大, 他想強迫你們只能去用win8的話, 那好像也抵擋不了, 除非大家都去改用Mac, 但...那有可能嗎..?? 所以我會慶幸至少win8 還不難用! 不管是桌面模式(其實就跟以前一樣), 或是Metro UI(ipad都用那麼久了, 這模式也半斤八兩啦, 一下就上手了)...(恕刪)

所以我下一台電腦是Mac
我不陪微軟玩了

continuum

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pooik wrote:
1. 可以用回桌面板...(恕刪)

所以啊

1. 一堆人觀望中 ....我買了win8 也懶得灌等下一步
我相信有些只是拼439的 ...買了未必會灌
不然作業系統區還有人灌雙系統幹嘛 ...

2. surface pro 就是 i5 ....問題是電力問題 ...
到現在都沒續航力資料

4. 一直想要通吃可變化的空間就小外加MS系統要吃掉一部分錢...
怎打 ? iOS 自己家的系統..android免費 ~~
光看 surface RT ... 不怎樣的規格+很憂的價位....
連MS自己出的都這樣了..更何況第三方廠商的產品
除非像google一樣 nexus拼賠本也要賣
問題google主要靠廣告..MS靠?!?

5. 限制 ? 此限制非彼限制 ...
至少iOS第一步做得很好...很好的操作體驗
其他限制是後面的事情
win 8 ? 很明顯操作體驗就是毀譽參半~~

6 . win 8 強迫 ? 想太多了 XP一堆是啥回事 ...
大家用不慣了不起卡在 XP or WIn 7
強迫這件事在 Win 7 XP 時代就發生了
解決了嗎 ?
XP 的更新服務不斷的往後延
假設企業對win8 不買單
可以看到下次換 win7 不斷延
大家等 win9 win 10

7 .. !@#!@#!#!@ cookie timeout 打的一段都不見了
算了懶得打了....反正靜觀其變
簡單一句 ... MS 沒辦法給users一個足夠大的誘因去主動升級系統

spiderkidtw

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http://techcrunch.com/2012/11/25/oh-so-this-is-where-you-use-the-microsoft-surface/

The Microsoft Surface is a great kitchen computer, and sadly, that’s about it. You can tell a lot about a new product by how well you integrate it into your life, and for the Surface, the product has been largely sitting on my kitchen countertop for the past couple of weeks, except for that one time my daughter’s iPad was charging and she wanted to watch Netflix. Or that other time when I carried it to Startup Weekend, then ended up using it as a hard surface to press down on while writing with pen and paper.

Oh, Surface. You just don’t fit in. At least not for me.

This is not another Surface review, to be clear. I don’t review gadgets. We have people for that. Lots of them. Professionals. You should read those posts. This is an opinion. These thoughts have been itching inside my mind since my Surface arrived, and they’re dying to get out.

If anything, I’m biased to like the Surface. I wanted to like it, even.

I was a late switcher to Apple products. I didn’t care for the fervor that surrounded Apple, and having once worked in I.T., I was more comfortable in the Windows universe. I didn’t want to deal with the switching costs: productivity loss during the adjustment period, not ever really knowing the OS as well as I knew Windows, leaving behind software programs I had come to rely on, etc.

But the iPhone, as it turns out, was an ideal gateway drug. I switched. I learned. I adjusted. After the iPhone, came the MacBook Pro. Then an iPad. Now I’m a slave to the iPhone upgrade cycle. Today, to return to Windows feels like the same kind of struggle as leaving it ever was in the first place. But I’m predisposed to want to try on some level, if only to assuage the guilt and penalties associated with complete Apple ecosystem lock-in. (Well, complete except for that year and half using the Nexus S, and carrying an early Windows Phone 7 device for backup).

Overall, I don’t dislike Windows 8 as an operating system. Actually, there are parts of it I like very much. The Windows 8 “desktop,” for example, with its live-updating tiles is a welcome change from Apple’s incredibly boring interface involving app icons and folders. Even Google long ago out innovated Apple on this front, with Android’s customizable homescreens and widgets, live wallpapers and thumbnail-based application switcher. Apple’s iOS homescreen feels dated, and the upgrades we’re being fed (or those withheld!) are too often serving Apple’s own interests, not ours as users. Like everyone, I miss the native Google Maps app. I didn’t care for Apple’s delay on Facebook integration because the two companies couldn’t figure out how to work together. I don’t like pre-installed apps I can’t delete (like many of Apple’s native ones on iOS). I don’t like the inability to better customize the device to my own needs. (Why 12 icons in a folder? Why?!)

Windows 8 feels modern and different. The Metro design – or whatever you call it now – appeals to me. And the stripped down version known as Windows RT – the only version the Surface currently supports – is tolerable for light computing.

Now I know that a lot of ink has been shed over the ridiculousness of cramming the old-school “desktop” interface into the re-imagined Windows 8, but I can see where Microsoft felt like it had no choice in the matter in terms of supporting legacy software (and legacy users, resistant to change). Yes, it feels awkward to switch between the old and new. Jarring. But the ridiculous part to me is not legacy support – this is Microsoft! – but rather the decision to remove the “Start” menu from this old-fashioned interface. It’s like, “here’s your stupid old Windows. Now good luck using it!” [Insert evil laugh here]. Yeah, thanks a lot.

Still, while I’m attracted to the sheer “differentness” of the new Windows OS itself, one thought kept running through my head while using the Surface hardware: God, I wish I could use this OS on an iPad. And therein lies the problem. The Surface, well-built and sturdy as it may be, is a bizarre, bizarre machine.

It’s simply an awful tablet. If you remove the keyboard and try to use in portrait mode, the thing is too long and too narrow. It feels heavy because it’s too thick, despite being about on par with the iPad in weight. But if you attach the keyboard, you then have to be sitting at a desk or table where you can prop the thing up. It’s not a lap computer, which is nutty because tablet computers are for untethering you from a desk, and laptops have the word “lap” in them for a reason. Only Microsoft could come up with a way to make a tablet/laptop combo that forces you back to your desk no matter the configuration you select.

Only Microsoft could make a tablet that’s actually desktop PC.

And as a desktop PC, it’s too small for work day computing. It’s a secondary device at best. iPad users won’t buy this instead of a new iPad. Laptop users will still buy laptops. Price sensitive Android users won’t bite for the price ($499+, but unusable without a keyboard which is an extra $119 for the less expensive Touch Cover option). E-reader buyers will look for something lighter.

Who, then, is this tablet/laptop for? And where the heck are you supposed to use this thing?

As for me, the Surface sits in my kitchen. And it works pretty well there for quick web searches, email checks, recipe lookups, a little YouTube and the like. There’s no point getting into details about how well Office performs, or the lack of apps available for the Surface with Windows RT, or other details – this is an occasional use machine.

Anyway, the kitchen not the worst place for an oddball computer to end up – the PlayBook, after all, quickly became the bathroom tablet. (That thing is the perfect size for leaving on top of the toilet.) But if I were to invest in switching to Windows 8 from OS X or iOS, I go for a “real” laptop or a “real” tablet, not this odd halfling creation which is, in reality, neither.

continuum

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siis wrote:
個人建議版大另起一樓...(恕刪)

蠻難的
昨天看那個討論串
連開箱的樓主都沒下啥結論
就某個人在那自嗨
嗨到沒啥人在理他
連同樣的 win tablet使用者都這樣了
你覺得 ......

應該可能欠關注要來這邊發被炮文吧

不過應該是不錯的推銷員
可以把原本持平的東西說到飛天遁地

不過真的是這樣的話.....
win tablet 應該是一出貨就被秒殺了吧

continuum

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spiderkidtw wrote:
http://tec...(恕刪)

這篇是說RT ...
RT基本上目前是 .....

合理懷疑會不會兩年後像 WM7 or 7.5 R.I.P.
然後 win 9 ....

pooik

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continuum wrote:
所以啊1. 一堆人觀...(恕刪)

其它點都是時間上的問題, 就不一一回復了,

就針對操作體驗這點,
我還真的想不出ipad有甚麼操作體驗上的優點
除了APP比人家多以外
如果APP不多相信大家也不會買單,

論滑順度, Win8 pad也不惶多讓, 甚至有可能還更順暢,
APP就沒辦法了, 也是要靠時間,
若是以後衝上來了..那ipad還真的有很大的優勢嗎?

不過未來的事誰也說不準!

針對企業可以持續update Win7, 針對個人用戶可以強迫上win8,
不過我想微軟也不致於這樣搞啦,
Win8跟Win7用起來也差不多, 說使用體驗差也太牽強了一點!
WinXP是卡了一個Vista速度太慢, 造成大家不爽,
而Win7到Win8看起來使用效能又更好了, 實在是看不出來有甚麼不換的理由
(當然現階段的一些軟體相容性的問題還待解決)

誘因 ? 對桌機而言, 的確是沒誘因, 因為Win7就很好用了,
but for 可攜裝置而言, 我覺得指日可待..不過重點還是App要衝上來就是了!

沒有夠用的APP, 我個人也不會買單! 但是我願意給微軟機會!
因為目前只有他可以做到我想用的平板+電腦一體!

以前當我在使用ipad時, 就很遺憾為什麼ipad不能做到一些電腦上可以做到的事
搞的我都要在車上放兩台可攜裝置, 一台ipad, 一台NB,
不過現在, 我的願望看起來有機會可以實現了

妖妖夢

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siis wrote:
個人建議版大另起一樓...(恕刪)

我建議板大趕快衝去敗一台兩萬多元的W510
然後在捷運上跑英雄聯盟給大家看順便錄影存證，以符合開版標題(不要只是當一個標題黨)
然後樓主要什麼外加什麼輕薄鍵盤滑鼠之類的來玩都可以(看要不要找一套組合加起來比IPAD4這樣厚重的產品還輕)，順便在捷運上讓大家聞香一下樓主的W510
我相信W510這個Win8pro平板真能照樓主所說，在捷運中流暢的跑英雄聯盟
流暢度能到達樓主的評分91~92分比IPAD4的90分還高
好讓大家不會想買IPAD4
這樣不知道樓主及樓下的各位意下如何?

continuum

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pooik wrote:
其它點都是時間上的問...(恕刪)

只用一個問句帶過

您覺得一堆兩三歲小朋友跟80歲老阿媽都很快就會用 ipad是啥回事？

有些事就別太先入為主就可以看到端倪了

pooik

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continuum wrote:
只用一個問句帶過您覺...(恕刪)

我覺的操作都一樣啊..Win8 pad & ipad <Android反而比較亂>

還是你覺得有哪邊不同..

也是滑一滑APP點進去...也一樣只有一個Winodws鍵..跟ipad的home鍵一樣

不想玩了就按windows鍵回到主畫面

兩者都一樣簡單<應該說只會按App的話, 那兩者有甚麼差別>...

本人都是玩過一段時間才會發有這些結論的..

ps:其實我看到這邊, 還沒有人可以明確告訴我到底ipad的使用體驗在哪個環節會比win8 pad好用的例子!

greenpeace

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continuum wrote:
您覺得一堆兩三歲小朋友跟80歲老阿媽都很快就會用 ipad是啥回事？

有些事就別太先入為主就可以看到端倪了...(恕刪)

metro介面的操作方式可以完全照IPAD的操作方式，不會有任何問題
明明是一模一樣的操作邏輯，IPAD介面還更醜
最好是IPAD老阿嬤會用，WIN8 metro就變不會用

先入為主的是那些沒摸過WIN8平板卻講得天花亂墜的果迷

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