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Little Jack wrote:
這句話Nikon自己都沒有說吧
It is a common knowledge that sports, wildlife, and press is their target market. And oh, I think wedding too.
But of course, you can take picture of anything you want.
If you want proof, look at this
http://press.nikonusa.com/2007/08/eight_years_after_changing_pro.php
Nikon says it is designed for sports and photojournalist.
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希望能有這個使用族群的高手們來加入討論...
我只是一個CANON 入門機 350D的用戶,
就我而言, 350D當初入手NT$32,500
但花在鏡頭上的費用, 包括花出去的"學費"(手癢, 不斷換鏡頭)
應該約 2-3倍, 然後也留下用的"最順手"的幾顆鏡頭...
這時40D & D300出現了, 我該選擇哪一部呢?
雖然D300的功能很優, 但是畢竟較貴,
且這時換系統, 整個鏡頭群又必須去適應 ~~
所以我打算升級至40D, 至少會用的比較順手
對於追著我那"爬爬走"的兒子, 比較能在短暫的時間拍到最珍貴的畫面~~~
各家機皇這個等級最大族群則是記者, 以及攝影工作者, 在此我們以前者作為討論重點:
對於用來拍攝重要賽事的體育記者, 或者可能餐風露宿的"狗仔"們,
他們可能在鏡頭上的投資, 可能"數倍"於這兩部機皇
"小黑五 VR"?? "小白 IS"?? 這對他們而言, 只能說是"小咖",
君不見不論是EF 600mm F4 ~NT$ 300,000, AF-S 600mm F4 ~NT$ 250,000
機皇對他們而言, 可能只是一個耗材, 他們可能只是需要可靠, 然後順手的機子.
對於這些高階機種, 我是認為市場洗牌效應不大, 只是宣示意味濃厚!!
D3 有號稱 9fps FX or 11fps DX的實力,
1D Mark III 10fps APS-H, 1Ds Mark III 5fps FF
今天假設你是一位受派去拍奧運"決賽"的體育記者,
你選 EOS 1D Mark III or D3 ?? 還是 畫素高達 20M的 1Ds Mark III?
1 D Mark III 是累進相當多輝煌風評的機種之繼承者, 但看似戰力最弱者
1 Ds Mark III 主戰場似乎不在此, 而在強調輸出品質的攝影工作者
D3 則可謂近乎全新設計的機型, CP值是三者中競爭力最高
但是在最關鍵時刻, 對器材的熟練度與反應~~可能是決勝關鍵
(NIKON 與 CANON的卡口方向是顛倒的, 且許多操作方式是有極大差異的...)
甚至可能在連拍過程中發生最糟的狀況~~掛點! 所以實戰經驗會被列入考慮
我想大家還是會維持原有的系統來使用~~(純假設)
但我會選舊機子 EOS 1D Mark II N (實戰經驗夠), 雖然我從沒用過這麼貴的設備~
至於最熱門的 Liveview, 我想可能來不及上場, 重要畫面就過了~~
但是, 我是期望經由這種競爭, 兩家龍頭公司都能端出最"經濟實惠"的菜,
("經濟"粉重要, 錢不好賺呀~~)
受惠的會是我們消費者, 我們亦不用隨之起舞~~
舉個例, CANON家 可以用 當年 300D的價錢買到 40D
半年後搞不好可以用 10D的價錢買到 FF機~~
NIKON家 可以用 D200的價錢買到 D2X 等級性能的 D300
對於兩家的用戶而言, 這不是雙贏的局面嗎?
希望大家都能在這場"割喉戰"中, 以最便宜的價錢買到喜歡的機子
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tom2517 wrote:
It is a co...(恕刪)
You do realize that there is the engineering department and then there is the marking department right? When they design a professional camera, of course they try do the best job they can engineering wise. Some compromises will be made and so on, but at the end of the day what the marketing department says about the camera often has little to do with the engineering.
Of course they are gonna pick out the good things to say about the D3. I mean they are not gonna shoot themselves in the foot and say that it's marketed for landscaping with their new 14-24mm f2.8. That actually just reminds people that Canon got a FF that's got like what 21MP?
Don't believe in everything that you read, at least don't just take the face value of things.
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stan_ccv wrote:
但是在最關鍵時刻, 對器材的熟練度與反應~~可能是決勝關鍵
(NIKON 與 CANON的卡口方向是顛倒的, 且許多操作方式是有極大差異的...)
甚至可能在連拍過程中發生最糟的狀況~~掛點! 所以實戰經驗會被列入考慮
我想大家還是會維持原有的系統來使用~~(純假設)
...(恕刪)
你的假設很有道理並且很正確
不過今天NIKON出現了宣示性機種D3以及十萬元級機身的D300
CANON在這麼老大下去就準備去當老二吧～～
因為舊有的器材總有壞的一天，包括鏡頭與機身
只要鏡頭壞了，難道專業攝影市場的預算掌控者不會因此考慮NIKON嗎？
除非CANON把皮繃緊開始放出一點誠意，不然我看CANON老大的位子過不久會還給NIKON
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Little Jack wrote:
You do rea...(恕刪)
I don't understand your point.
It's not what I read, it is the fact. Those professional series cameras are mostly bought by wildlife, sports, wedding, and press companies/photographers.
It has always been the case, from the Nikon F1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or Canon's own F1 and EOS1 cameras. They are mainly designed for fast action sports and wildlife. Both Nikon and Canon had those special 10 FPS + film cameras designed for the Olympics.
So according to your logic, both company's marketing department are out of touch with their engineering department? Even after all those years?
There is no point arguing about this, I am just saying what those pro cameras are designed for, that is it, I am not saying only pros can buy it, or that you can only shot sports and wildlife with it.
Anyone with money can buy it, and you can shoot anything with it, but that doesn't mean it is designed for the general public. General public doesn't need a big and heavy camera that shot 10fps and needs external flash, not to mention it will cost $$$$.
