Porsche Panamera 4s和BMW M5抉擇!?

vanjames wrote:
and ask yourself if you want to keep going back to dealer trying to fix something they can not even know where is wrong.

yes/there are so many people in USA/canada drive BMW because those are mostly lease cars,they dont buy BMW out because after 3 years all funny problems start to pop up then you will feel you are so stupid yourself bought a fancy car but you need to call flatbed all the time.

BMW makes really good car like E30(I have one).Newer BMW seem to me only good for 3 years.



這段是典型沒任何實證經驗而毫無根據的論點。

您說美加BMW新車租賃的占大多數是因為BMW三年後就問題重重,請問您如何得來這個結論?

那我請問今年的票選美國前十大最常被消費者租賃的廠牌,神車TOYOTA跟LEXUS雙雙上榜。難不成TOYOTA跟LEXUS也是三年後就一堆破銅爛鐵的爛貨?

TOP TEN MOST LEASED

如果有接觸理財資訊的人就都不陌生,在歐美租賃汽車是中上收入者的理財手法之一。要開同等級的汽車他如果不買而用租賃的,這樣他花在車子這種消耗材的支出就相形減少,進而就可以把剩下來的錢轉到投資獲利的活動上。這就是為何在美國1A2B、LEXUS、跟凱迪拉克這種高級品牌都是租賃的大宗;這種車都是有經濟能力的人在開。

他們租賃著眼點在於以少錢開好車,跟車子的什麼三年後耐用性毫無關聯。

我這種人跟歐美人相比是比較傻,我車子喜歡那種買斷的擁有踏實感,所以不喜歡租賃。我的E60也已開了4年多,照您的論點不就似乎該進廢車廠了?
I got all these from my friends and myself!!
well, BMW sells well here because they offer 3 years service free and of course first 3 years is bumper to bumper warrenty.
if you think I have no prove and I have nothing to say but I will not say something like what you said.
you should come over to see many newer AMG and MPower cars on the flatbed here(very often)
When the V10 M5 came out, BMW even not offer extend warrenty(think about why).

Well,I am just hoping you spend your money on something nice and without much stupid computer problems,

you can compare used cars here in north america between lexus vs bmw, porsche vs bmw.

I said all these because I went through all these.

I hope I can type chinese from my pc ,sorry about all english,serious I wish I can share more with guys here.

"如果有接觸理財資訊的人就都不陌生,在歐美租賃汽車是中上收入者的理財手法之一。要開同等級的汽車他如果不買而用租賃的,這樣他花在車子這種消耗材的支出就相形減少,進而就可以把剩下來的錢轉到投資獲利的活動上。這就是為何在美國1A2B、LEXUS、跟凱迪拉克這種高級品牌都是租賃的大宗;這種車都是有經濟能力的人在開。

people lease car of course
1. they can write off some tax
2.you can spend less money to own that car for 3 or 4 years.
3.in the leasing years most cars under warrenty so owner have a peace of mind.
4.look at USA's economy

Let's go back to topic~~ Porsche > BMW

Happy new year,



Maedatsun wrote:
這段是典型沒任何實證...(恕刪)
vanjames wrote:
I got all ...(恕刪)


WELL,米漿在北美提供的是四年五萬英里的保固以及免費保養,不是三年。如果擁有過新款BMW的車主就應該對這些細節不陌生。

還有,M CAR本身就是米漿裡面以跑車性能主打的車種,會開這種車的操駕就比正常房車劇烈,提供某些機件延長保固是他原廠對顧客的一個撒必蘇,結果被你說成是車子不好的證明?

也不是真的愛跟你辯,但是聽你在那邊講的信誓旦旦BMW三年就掛,也講不出個數據來,就覺得好笑,這才是我要跟你舉反證的地方。我可沒有為了證明BMW比較好就說PORSCHE有多爛吧?講話要多多少少客觀一下嘛!
如果你不是賽車手,可以先別管那些馬力差別
論品牌形象、妥善率、組裝質感、稀有度、不想被偷被拔
Porsche > BMW

再去實際開開看,就知道了

冬天如果會下雪的地區

可能就要多考慮 AWD 車種

Andyinno wrote:
M3固然很快,本以為420匹會比355匹快上不少,但實際一跑,嘿嘿!差不多耶,在山路上就是破許的地盤了。M3在對抗彎道的能耐顯然比999辛苦多了...(恕刪)


Andy大, 四驅車應該是山道中勝出的一大原因喔
之前用997TT(四驅)單手可以在90km/hr的彎從外圈超過997CS(後驅)
但後驅335要追一台997CS(後驅)就追得很辛苦了~~

997C4S在山道對一般架駛來說, 應該是優於後驅車種的沒錯(雖然我也遇過在山道能把後驅車開得比四驅還猛的怪咖)
千萬先記得第一件事,我自己也䦕BMW !
你要看的數據也不過是一個經過原廠美化過的數字而已,
我比較在乎我身上,我朋友們,我的親戚他們的BMW 發生的事。
我只是試箸想跟你說真正的insider story,因為我也有朋友在這裡的BMW 工作。
我們不該搶走原先的主題,我希望版主買一輛會跑又稀有的車,
而我從來沒說~~ "但是聽你在那邊講的信誓旦旦BMW三年就掛" 不過小問題多了些,
我有過e30,36,46,39,60 我舅舅從20年前閞5系到現在,愛BMW 的性能,恨bmw的可笑小毛病,
You never know how car dealer charge to BMW.
If you just a customer drop off the car for service.
Well !!
if you really want to see some number, see something from consumer report!
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/used-cars/cr-recommended/best-and-worst-used-cars/overview/best-and-worst-used-cars.htm
and you can see "the worst of the worst" BMW 535xi,BMW X5

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/driving-it-home/the-most-and-least-reliable-vehicles-on-the-market/article1773640/

Top 10 brands for reliability:

1.Scion

2.Porsche

3.Acura

4.Honda

5.Infiniti

6.Toyota

7.Subaru

8.Volvo

9.Lexus

10.Ford

For more information, go to www.consumerreports.org.

"2.you can spend less money to own that car for 3 or 4 years.
3.in the leasing years most cars under warrenty so owner have a peace of mind."
~米漿在北美提供的是四年五萬英里的保固以及免費保養,不是三年。如果擁有過新款BMW的車主就應該對這些細節不陌生。
"難道你不知道可以lease 3 or 4 年的嗎? 更何況我說 3 or 4 years"
愛車不是光會開車而已 車是我的一個passion
我在這裡絕對不會因為你說捨麼而說你 "好笑“
just trying to share my experience with everybody.


Maedatsun wrote:
WELL,米漿在北美...(恕刪)
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