(請益)這張四年期台幣儲蓄險的投資報酬率??

南波萬 wrote:
在玉山銀行受不了理專的糾纏,
一直推基金,一直轉換,
也一直賠錢,
後來我跟他說我想要穩定收益,
長天期無所謂,
他就推薦我買巴西電力公司的債卷,
也不知道好不好,
就硬著頭皮買了,

你說的是這個嗎?

巴西本身已經是 "垃圾"國家,它旗下的國營企業自然也是評級更低的"垃圾".
可能是你的風險胃納高,屬於極端積極的投資者,所以理專才推薦給你.

巴西這個國家的財政瀕臨崩潰,主辦奧運的設施都無力完成,
年度嘉年華遊行也停辦,國家石油公司因油價崩跌已經快不行了,
還涉及嚴重貪汙與利益輸送,前任總統已經被查辦了,現任總統位子坐不穩了,
關於巴西財政困境的新聞,在www.cnbc.com, www.bloomberg.com多到數不清.

你的頭已經洗下去,可能我說的話你不愛聽.
看看上個月Moody怎麼說吧!
https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-takes-rating-actions-on-specific-issuers-of-the-Brazilian--PR_344544
Global Credit Research - 25 Feb 2016

Action follows the downgrade of Brazil's issuer and bond ratings to Ba2 with a negative outlook


Sao Paulo, February 25, 2016 -- Moody´s America Latina Ltda. ("Moody's") took the following rating actions on its portfolio of water and electric utilities as a result of the downgrade of Brazil's issuer and bond ratings to Ba2 from Baa3 and the change of outlook to negative, as well as the downgrade of the ratings of the States of Sao Paulo to Ba2 from Baa3 with a negative outlook, Minas Gerais to Ba3 from Ba1 with a negative outlook and Parana to Ba3/A2.br from Ba1/Aa2.br with a stable outlook on the global scale and on the National Scale Rating (NSR), respectively. For more information, please see [https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-downgrades-Brazils-issuer-and-bond-ratings-to-Ba2-with--PR_342928].



RATINGS RATIONALE



These actions reflect Moody's view that the recent sovereign and sub-sovereign rating actions, as a result of deteriorating economic and fiscal perspectives together with worsening governability and policy paralysis, will negatively affect the credit quality of the following companies:



Companhia Energética de Minas Gerais -- CEMIG

Issuer ratings downgraded to Ba3/A2.br from Ba1/Aa2.br, under review for downgrade on the global scale and on the National Scale Rating (NSR), respectively. Outlook changed to negative.



CEMIG Distribuição S.A.

Issuer ratings downgraded to Ba3/A2.br from Ba1/Aa2.br, under review for downgrade on the global scale and on the National Scale Rating (NSR), respectively. Outlook changed to negative.

At the same time, the ratings on the global and national scales of the following issuances were downgraded to Ba3/A2.br from Ba1/Aa2.br, under review for downgrade. Outlook changed to negative:

Backed senior unsecured BRL653.67 million Brazilian debentures

Backed senior unsecured BRL1,095.51 million Brazilian debentures

Backed senior unsecured BRL410.82 million Brazilian debentures



CEMIG Geração e Transmissão S.A.

Corporate Family Ratings (CFR) downgraded to Ba3/A2.br from Ba1/Aa2.br, under review for downgrade on the global scale and on the National Scale Rating (NSR), respectively. Outlook changed to negative.

南波萬 wrote:
選擇似乎也不多

玉山銀行能把這樣的"垃圾" 賣給你,顯然你的口袋也不會太淺.
口袋不夠深的人,銀行也沒膽子賣這樣的東西給你.

如果你的報酬期待不是太高,其實,可以有很多選擇.
https://www.cmu.org.hk/cmupbb_ws/chi/page/wmp0100/wmp010001.aspx
滿坑滿谷,包賺不賠的債劵發行公司.

每單債劵,多數是10萬,與20萬起跳,動不動就是台幣近700萬元,
我個人不會有太高的報酬期待,也不會有賠上一文錢的心理準備.
南波萬 wrote:
搜尋您的文章似乎感覺您比理專還專業

這些在分行上班的基層理專一年賺多少錢?

很可能一輩子都沒財力交易一單債劵,
很可能連債劵的原文公開說明書都看不懂,
台灣的銀行通路是靠一張(或兩張)的債劵摘要在賣債劵,
連一份原文的 "prospectus"都沒有,
裡面種種風險揭露與特別條款都不知道,
期待小理專給什麼有建設性的建議?

要投資高收債,你該去買ishare 的JNK,至少一次買進的是幾百檔債劵組成的ETF.
而不是買進單一要價USD10萬,20萬的junk bond.

Katong wrote:
你說的是這個嗎?
巴西本身已經是 "垃圾"國家,它旗下的國營企業自然也是評級更低的"垃圾".
可能是你的風險胃納高,屬於極端積極的投資者,所以理專才推薦給你.
巴西這個國家的財政瀕臨崩潰,主辦奧運的設施都無力完成,
年度嘉年華遊行也停辦,國家石油公司因油價崩跌已經快不行了,
還涉及嚴重貪汙與利益輸送,前任總統已經被查辦了,現任總統位子坐不穩了,
關於巴西財政困境的新聞,在www.cnbc.com, www.bloomberg.com多到數不清.
你的頭已經洗下去,可能我說的話你不愛聽.
看看上個月Moody怎麼說吧!
https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-takes-rating-actions-on-specific-issuers-of-the-Brazilian--PR_344544
Global Credit Research - 25 Feb 2016
Action follows the downgrade of Brazil's issuer and bond ratings to Ba2 with a negative outlook

Sao Paulo, February 25, 2016 -- Moody´s America Latina Ltda. ("Moody's") took the following rating actions on its portfolio of water and electric utilities as a result of the downgrade of Brazil's issuer and bond ratings to Ba2 from Baa3 and the change of outlook to negative, as well as the downgrade of the ratings of the States of Sao Paulo to Ba2 from Baa3 with a negative outlook, Minas Gerais to Ba3 from Ba1 with a negative outlook and Parana to Ba3/A2.br from Ba1/Aa2.br with a stable outlook on the global scale and on the National Scale Rating (NSR), respectively. For more information, please see [https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-downgrades-Brazils-issuer-and-bond-ratings-to-Ba2-with--PR_342928].
RATINGS RATIONALE
These actions reflect Moody's view that the recent sovereign and sub-sovereign rating actions, as a result of deteriorating economic and fiscal perspectives together with worsening governability and policy paralysis, will negatively affect the credit quality of the following companies:
Companhia Energética de Minas Gerais -- CEMIG
Issuer ratings downgraded to Ba3/A2.br from Ba1/Aa2.br, under review for downgrade on the global scale and on the National Scale Rating (NSR), respectively. Outlook changed to negative.
CEMIG Distribuição S.A.
Issuer ratings downgraded to Ba3/A2.br from Ba1/Aa2.br, under review for downgrade on the global scale and on the National Scale Rating (NSR), respectively. Outlook changed to negative.

At the same time, the ratings on the global and national scales of the following issuances were downgraded to Ba3/A2.br from Ba1/Aa2.br, under review for downgrade. Outlook changed to negative:
Backed senior unsecured BRL653.67 million Brazilian debentures
Backed senior unsecured BRL1,095.51 million Brazilian debentures
Backed senior unsecured BRL410.82 million Brazilian debentures
CEMIG Geração e Transmissão S.A.
Corporate Family Ratings (CFR) downgraded to Ba3/A2.br from Ba1/Aa2.br, under review for downgrade on the global scale and on the National Scale Rating (NSR), respectively. Outlook changed to negative.

玉山銀行能把這樣的"垃圾" 賣給你,顯然你的口袋也不會太淺.
如果你的報酬期待不是太高,其實,可以有很多選擇.
https://www.cmu.org.hk/cmupbb_ws/chi/page/wmp0100/wmp010001.aspx
滿坑滿谷,包賺不賠的債劵發行公司.
每單債劵,多數是10萬,與20萬起跳,動不動就是台幣近700萬元,
我個人不會有太高的報酬期待,也不會有賠上一文錢的心理準備.
這些在分行上班的基層理專一年賺多少錢?
很可能一輩子都沒財力交易一單債劵,
很可能連債劵的原文公開說明書都看不懂,
台灣的銀行通路是靠一張(或兩張)的債劵摘要在賣債劵,
連一份原文的 "prospectus"都沒有,
裡面種種風險揭露與特別條款都不知道,
期待小理專給什麼有建設性的建議?
要投資高收債,你該去買ishare 的JNK,至少一次買進的是幾百檔債劵組成的ETF.
而不是買進單一要價USD10萬,20萬的junk bond.


K大好像很專業,標註一下,有空再來仔細研究
第一張跟第二張報酬率會差很多嗎
prodigy999s wrote:
我的保險業務員剛傳LINE...(恕刪)


這保單利率約1.46% 目前銀行1年定存約1.36% 買這個很不划算 才多0.1%利息

但變現性不足 如果你4年內需用錢.要用5%~6%利息借出(拿回自己的錢還要付利息歐)

只要對保險稍有良心的從業人員.是不會賣你投資或儲蓄型保單的...

會賣你這張是因為傭金25%~45%

除非你是那種錢放在身上會咬你那種..才建議用保單儲蓄

Katong wrote:
你的頭已經洗下去,可能我說的話你不愛聽.
看看上個月Moody怎麼說吧!..(恕刪)

不會不愛聽,
這世界最缺的...就是說實話的人
k大...拜託您開個專欄好了
才不會讓我們這些門外漢,
迷失在銀行理專的話術當中
我個人看法給您作參考:
1.儲蓄險建議買躉繳的,目前應該可買到滿七年解約irr起碼有2.26%(沒有高保額折扣下),3年解約不賠本金的
2.台幣躉繳的,如果信用卡額度夠的話,找現金回饋高或累積里程數的信用卡來刷

zoeypacy wrote:
我個人看法給您作參考:
1.儲蓄險建議買躉繳的,目前應該可買到滿七年解約irr起碼有2.26%(沒有高保額折扣下),3年解約不賠本金的
2.台幣躉繳的,如果信用卡額度夠的話,找現金回饋高或累積里程數的信用卡來刷

台幣躉繳的保險6年就有irr2.25%的(不用高保額)
也是第三年不賠本
不用等到第七年吧!!
躉繳很多都不能用信用卡刷

prodigy999s wrote:
我的保險業務員剛傳LINE...(恕刪)


其實有種玩法~首先先加入做保險員(不管它業績)
然後自己買4年期
第一年傭金最少有15%.102萬*15%=15.3萬
第二年傭金約4%.102萬*4%=4萬800
第三/四年傭金約1%.102萬*1%=1萬200

加上102萬*1.46%利息=1萬4892

這樣總利息=15.3+4.08+1.02+1.02+(1.4892*4)=25萬8876

這樣4年平均利率約6.3%

扣掉綜所稅 大概利率約>5%
如果只比定存,那一定是好的!可是中途不能解約,資金流動彈性差。
但如果想賺錢,那何不趁現在購買該公司的股票還好得多。

保險,就是給你保障意外,然後加上一點比銀行定存高的利潤。要賺錢,那就直接買該公司的股票,損益跟公司同進退,利潤也一定比保單好,缺點是難免遇到有人放空引起波動。
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