realestatepro wrote:
不知道這位大大的英文程度
但是小弟住國外15年, 母語就是英文, 回台灣也教過幾年英文 (但中文程度(寫)小學畢業頂多)
半吊子的英文程度不是這樣子的
看過受台灣英文教育寫不出這東西(不是說好不好, 但是打出來的語氣跟方式. 一個是應付考試, 一個是everyday english)
這種寫法跟裡面的帶了很多口語, 不是正常正統英文教育會用到的. 也不是查查字典中翻英會用的詞語
100%是英文底子不錯, 只是懶得打很正式(可以說他只是把他想用嘴巴說的直接打出來)
可是...
這在我看來就是半吊子的英文而已

是我比較刻薄啦,不好意思。
但我說這英文不好,不是說他偏離正式英文的形式喔。‧而是因為我覺得就算是 casual English 也不會說成這樣子。例如 "Those words are like PHD dissertation" 或 "sustain their lifestyle they seek" 和 "they fall for it again" 都根正式與否無關,單純就是平白無故少/多一個字而已("a/-s", "-eir", "-'d/-'ll")。他的句子有的也很彆扭。隨便跟路人聊天,我想十個裡面九個會在 "I would tell them in my previous relationships" 中加個 "that" 。不是因為文法,只是平日說話就是這樣才比較順啊。
而且其實這篇文章語氣比較偏正式才對!連 sophistication 都用出來了耶,我真的從沒聽人在現實生活中用這詞。根本不像在留言板隨興發言會說的字。但是用得有點不倫不類,是在說樂高沒水準嗎

我沒特別注意到什麼口語就是了。真的有什麼字典沒有的字嗎?
不過我讀這文就火大,覺得筆者令人作嘔,所以我的意見大概有失公正吧。
然而事實上,這篇文章所有的論點跟外國網路上罵洋人女生的說法根本是一模一樣,頂多是在籠統的 "girls" 前面加個 "Taiwanese" 來專罵台灣人而已 ,換湯不換藥。semaphore wrote:
但我說這英文不好,不是說他偏離正式英文的形式喔。‧而是因為我覺得就算是 casual English 也不會說成這樣子。例如 "Those words are like PHD dissertation" 或 "sustain their lifestyle they seek" 和 "they fall for it again" 都根正式與否無關,
你連什麼是口語都看不出來?
難道你以為字典查不到才是口語? 口語跟俚語的意思不盡相同
口語只是說不像寫論文這麼正式,像不能用can't 一定要用can not之類的,
而俚語是指成語或者類似like something the cat dragged in
這種東東, 但他寫這個要讓多數台灣人看得懂何苦用俚語?
你是沒認識外國人嗎? 丟這個文章給他們看不就知道了?
如果一個美國人對你打的文章有意見, 說你打錯了一個字--根
說你應該要用 "認為" 不該用 "覺得" 之類的
你會不會哭笑不得?
現在你就是在做同樣的事, 英文好不好要看整篇文章的表達,
不是看字有沒有打錯,文法怎樣,你看中文會去特意注意文法嗎?
只會看流暢度啦
我建議你先把你想講的用英文打出來, 不用多, 50個字就可以看出你的英文程度
寫句子簡單, 寫文章不容易, 你試試看就知道, 什麼是美式英文跟台式英文的差異
至於這位外國人的判斷, 是對了一半, 台灣還是有很多南部女生不是屬於那樣的族群
北部確實多數都是這樣的女生,他應該是住在台北吧
semaphore wrote:
但我說這英文不好,不是說他偏離正式英文的形式喔。‧而是因為我覺得就算是 casual English 也不會說成這樣子。例如 "Those words are like PHD dissertation" 或 "sustain their lifestyle they seek" 和 "they fall for it again" 都根正式與否無關,單純就是平白無故少/多一個字而已("a/-s", "-eir", "-'d/-'ll")。他的句子有的也很彆扭。隨便跟路人聊天,我想十個裡面九個會在 "I would tell them in my previous relationships" 中加個 "that" 。不是因為文法,只是平日說話就是這樣才比較順啊。
一般老美的口語化英文,如果真的要挑錯,那可是大工程。
寫作方面更是有趣,比方說,很多人常常把there跟their,或是you're跟your搞混。
或許他們知道其中差異,但是在寫作時常常"偷懶"而沒有注意。
但是一般教育程度較高,年齡稍長的,比較注意細節,或是常常寫文章的老美,自然不會寫成這樣。
從作者的語氣與用詞用字,我之前才會說作者本身的格調可能不會太高。
semaphore wrote:
而且其實這篇文章語氣比較偏正式才對!連 sophistication 都用出來了耶,我真的從沒聽人在現實生活中用這詞。根本不像在留言板隨興發言會說的字。但是用得有點不倫不類,是在說樂高沒水準嗎
sophisticated與sophistication算是口語常見的字。 而文中的has the sophistication of a Lego bloack用法並不會不倫不類,因為這就是口語中,用於"諷刺"的slang說法。
"The guys these girls hang out with are perfect mirror of themselves, devoid of any personality and has the sophistication of a Lego block."
這句話的意思,指的是"會跟這些女生混在一起的男生,跟這些女生一模一樣(mirror image),沒有任何個品格/水準(人格低下之意)之外,他們的教養/品味也跟樂高積木一樣單調(意指愚蠢)"。
換個中文的方式來說,就是指"會跟這種女生混在一起的男生,也是跟這些女生一樣低俗與愚蠢",換言之,所謂的"物以類聚"。
I'm ABC and came back to Taiwan (I've had my share of girlfriendsin USA). In 5 years staying here (and dating several TWN girls from 25-36 yos, here is my take: Taiwanese women are narcissists, especially if she is even slightly attractive. Most of them live off their parents. If they are well-off, forget about scoring with them unless you are more well-off than them, their parents will find every reason in the world NOT to be with you.
我是一個回到台灣的ABC(我在美國也有不少女友; 意指作者不是沒交過女友的宅男),在台灣的五年,與好幾個25~36歲的台灣女生交往過,而這是我個人感覺/體驗: 台灣女生算是相當自我陶醉,自我感覺良好,尤其是那些稍有姿色(slightly attractive)的女生。 這些女生大多都靠父母養。 如果這些女生家庭背景有錢,那你可以不用追這個女生(scoring with them,但也可以解釋為跟女生們成功上床),除非你比她們家更有錢,不然她的父母會想盡辦法阻止你們在一起。
$$$$ is king, you can be fat, butt-ugly but if you are rich or appear rich, they will find every reason in the world to like you. And if you are not, you can become 'friends' with them, you simply become her platonic biitch, she only calls when she needs you and will never ever admit she is just using you for material things but will always give you you subtle hints of the Coach, LV, or expensive electronic gadget that she really really wants for her B-day.
有錢是老大。 你可以是一個肥胖醜陋的人,但是如果你有錢,或是看起來有錢,那她們自然會想盡辦法"喜歡你"(意指,對於你的肥胖與醜陋,都將會有理由可以解釋,可以接受)。 但是如果你沒錢,那對她們而言,你就只是"朋友",你就是所謂的工具人。 她只會再需要你幫忙的時候找你,但是絕不會承認她在利用你。 不過呢,只要有機會,她就會默默的暗示你,她需要某個coach,LV包包,或是昂貴的電子3C產品當生日禮物...等等。
Worse, forgetting to bring her purse when inviting her & her friends to meet you. And if she brings it, puts the onus on you to pay for it by sitting there silently, not moving, as if waiting for the 'traditional-male ' to pick up the tab.
更惡劣的是,當你邀請她與她的朋友來見面,她就會忽然忘了帶錢包。 而就算她帶了錢包,她也會靜靜的坐著,絲毫不移動,把付錢的責任(onus)默默的轉嫁到你身上,一如她在等待一位"傳統男性(意指,古意的男生)"來付帳。 (意指,女生自己行為放蕩拜金,所以不是傳統的女生,因此更不會喜歡傳統的男生。 但是遇到要付錢的狀況,就忽然希望自己身邊的男人是一個傳統的男生。)
And if she is poor, she is even more materialistic. I remember our company hired a TWN girl (27) never held a steady job, complain to us how little she makes and how her mom has no job and how she has to support her mom... then I found out her 1st paycheck, she went out and bought a IPhone4...Saying how it was always her dream. All I can say was "wow" thinking how full of shhit she was.
如果女生經濟狀況不佳,那她更是現實(materialistic崇拜物質者,暗指現實)。 我記得當年我們公司請了一個27歲的台灣女生,她從來沒有一個固定工作,整天就是抱怨自己薪水低,抱怨自己媽媽沒工作,所以她必需扶養她媽媽... 但是我後來發現,她將領到的第一張支票(1st paycheck,意指第一份薪水)拿去買一台iPhone4,並且藉口"擁有iPhone4是我一直以來的夢想"。 我只能說,"天啊(wow,沒有意義的英文單字,只是一個開口音,意指"不可思議")",這女生根本就是唬爛大王(full of shit意指"說謊成性")。
And I'm talking about girls that aren't even that attractive. Maybe a 7/8 out of 10. Yes I'm being shallow by putting them on a scale like that, but if I'm one feet deep, these girls' can be measured in micrometers.
而這個女生也不怎麼漂亮,滿分十分的話,她頂多7~8分。 是的,將女生如此評分的確是很膚淺,但是罵我之前,這些女生自己也沒有好到哪裡去(if I'm one feet deep, these girls' can be measured in micrometers,有"五十步笑百步"的意思)。
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The younger ones that are even semi-attractive, are even more materialistic and pretentious. Most pretend they are not materialistic. And the few that are not after $$$, are after Beiber looks no matter how gay-looking or irresponsible these guys are.
那些年輕普通稍稍有姿色的女生,更是現實與虛偽。 大多數都會假裝自己不現實,有些甚至會擺明自己並不愛錢,但是這些女生都會倒貼長得像Justin Bieber的娘泡又不負責任的小鬼。 (Justin Bieber是美國新一代的男性歌手,但是長得非常女性化,被許多老美譏笑為娘泡之王,加上行為舉止沒有水準,品格低下,所以被筆者拿來諷刺這些台灣沒大腦的娘泡男生)。
Most don't have a job and those that do, spend as much money on their looks as the girls. There are no Rambos, athletic real man here (ok maybe 5% of population, sorry to these real guys).
這些娘泡小鬼大多沒有工作,就算有,也像女生一樣,把所有的錢花在裝扮上(意指,不務正業,整天只會把自己弄得花枝招展,以為這樣就是男人,就是帥氣)。 在台灣,你看不到藍波,或是運動型體格的真男人(好吧,或許全台灣的男人中,只有5%是這樣,先向這些真男人道歉; 藍波意旨強壯的肌肉男人,與上面Justin Bieber娘泡之王為強烈對比)。
The guys these girls hang out with are perfect mirror of themselves, devoid of any personality and has the sophistication of a Lego block. Most of the skinny, wannabes gay looking guys (they actually think they are model-quality!!) hang around disco clubs, malls like spoiled rich American teenagers and spend all their money on the latest fashion craze.
會跟這些女生混在一起的男生,跟這些女生一模一樣(mirror image),沒有任何個品格/水準(人格低下之意)之外,他們的教養/品味也跟樂高積木一樣單調(意指愚蠢)。 這些瘦小,看起來是同性戀娘泡的小鬼(他們還真的認為自己與男模特兒等級一樣!!),整天只會在舞店/夜店裡混,跟被寵壞的有錢美國小鬼(意指頹廢的白人小鬼)一樣,整天只會瘋狂的花大錢在最新的時尚流行(暗指這些男生就像女生一樣,不務正業,整天只關心如何打扮自己,像娘泡)。
The guys are so skinny and feeble (I'm sure they can double their size if they went to gym and worked out) that if a typhoon come suddenly, they all be blow to the ocean. The only thing that makes their wheel turn are MSN, SKYPE, Facebook, self-portraits of themselves plastered all over each other's home pages.
這些男生一般都很瘦,並且很衰弱(feeble一語雙關,意指除了身體虛弱,就連個性也虛弱,像個娘泡)。 我相信如果他們上健身房,身體至少可以大一倍。 這些男生如此瘦小衰弱,如果哪天颱風來襲,大概通通被吹到海裡去了(意指,紙片人)。 能夠讓這些人有所反應,有所動作的事情(makes their wheel turn),莫過於MSN,SKYPE,臉書,自拍,然後互相傳到他們這群娘泡的網頁上。
God, they make Bieber look macho. No, I'm not the jealous type,I'm just telling it as it is. I've also been to China/Vietnam/Thailand and there is a world of difference in the girls' attitudes when I meet them.
老天,這些娘泡,甚至讓Justin Bieber(美國娘泡之王)看起來像個男人(macho意指強壯,有男子氣概的肌肉男人)。 我可不是忌妒這些人,我只是實話實說。 我曾經去過中國,越南,泰國,而這些地方的女生,其態度與台灣比起來,可是天差地遠。
I remember meeting girls that are 9 on a scale of 10, with no attitudes, no BS, no mark-ups that will put the TWN girls to shame.
我曾遇過一個美人指數9的女生,她不難搞(這裡的attitudes解釋為難搞),更不虛偽(BS是bullshit的縮寫,意指很會唬爛騙人),不施胭脂。 若是與台灣女生相比,台灣女生只會自相形穢。
The girls I've dated, I eventually dumped them for several reasons. Most girls if they waited until 33 yo, they become DESPERATE, what they will never give the time of day few years ago all of a sudden become a candidate for that future husband who will have a baby with her and enslaved to them the rest of their lives.
我在台灣交往過的女生,我之後也因為各種理由甩掉了。 大多的女生都等到33歲(yo意指years old),然後變成極度渴望男人/結婚(DESPERATE意指鋌而走險,孤注一擲)。 先前這些女人所看不起的男人,會突然間變成她們"未來丈夫"的候選人,可以跟她們生小孩,然後終其一生當她們的奴隸。
They are too old for most guys looking for younger girls and the nice guys they dumped years ago have married, so they are looking for ANYONE that makes more than the typical TWN guys and that is less than 15 years older than them.
但是呢,她們已經太老了。 她們想要的男人,想找的是更年輕的女人。 而當年被她們拋棄的好男人,也早就成家立業。 所以她們只好降低條件,只要是男的,收入稍為好一點,然後不要比她們大超過15歲即可。
And if the girls are 25-30 yo., you are an ATM to them. What the make a month they can't save enough for the credit cards they maxed out last year, let alone thinking about next week. They are always complaining about not having enough money, I would tell them in my previous relationships, my girlfriends never 'ask' or expect me to support their lifestyle, they ALWAYS lived a lifestyle that they can afford. It isn't about buying her expensive girls or being cheap, it is about having a solidrelationship based on trust, caring and understanding and respecting each other.
如果女生在25-30歲左右,那你只是她們的提款機。 她們一般無法存錢,就連去年刷爆的信用卡帳單也付不清,所以不用妄想她們能夠未雨綢繆。 但是她們總是成天抱怨沒有錢可以花。 我可以告訴她們,我先前(意指作者在美國時,所交往的女生)所交往過的女生,沒有一個會要求,或是期待我去"奉養"她們。 她們的生活模式與她們的收入是成正比,是她們自己可以負擔的。 這與買昂貴禮物給女友,或是小氣鬼,沒有任何關係。 這是培養一段穩定真心的感情,一段以信任,互相關懷,互相了解,互相尊重為基石的感情。
Those words are like PHD dissertation to a kindergarten kid.Yes they will eventually learn, but these types of girls in TWN are the NORM not exception. A TWN man once told me, TWN young generation is fvcked. They try to copycat the worst (superficial side) of USA and Japan but they don't have the talent, means or education or skills to sustain their lifestyle they seek. That is why they rather live day to day pretending to be Japanese, or cool American teenagers and LET their parents or idiot guys that chase them pay for it.
但是對這些人來說,這些字眼(意指,信任,關懷,了解與尊重)有如對牛彈琴,有如教導幼稚園的小朋友閱讀博士班論文一樣,緣木求魚。當然,她們遲早會學到這些道理,但是這些問題是,這種女生在台灣(twn)太常見(norm),並不是少數幾個。 有個台灣男人曾經告訴我,這一代的台灣女生真是爛爆了。 她們總是盲目的模仿美國與日本最惡劣(最膚淺)的生活方式,但是她們沒有本事,沒有足夠的教育水準與工作能力,來負擔她們所追求的生活模式。 所以她們只能過一天算一天,每天假裝自己是日本美女,或是酷酷的美國人,然後讓她們的父母,或是蠢到去追她們的男生,來負擔她們的生活費。
Granted, there are exceptions, but you must look like Bratt Pitt or Bieber, then you can sex with 1,000 of them without even breaking a sweat. yet the nicest guy can't even hold-hands with them because they are that stuck up.
沒錯,事情總是有例外,但你最好看起來像布萊德彼特或是Justin Bieber。 長得帥,你可以輕易的達成千人斬... 但是最優質的男生,卻連她們的手都牽不到,只因為這些女生過度嬌縱,過度自負。
In fact, that is what one of my friend has told me. he said it isso easy to have sex with 18-20 yos in Taipei, Kaohsiung or Taichung, all you have to do is dress cool and have the 'right-look' - as they are infatuated with blue-eyed, blond hair, Bratt-Pitts, all their cold-BS, pretentious shitt s as fast as their skirts.
事實上,這就是我一個朋友告訴我的。 在台北,高雄與台中,要與18-20歲的女生上床是非常容易的一件事。 你只要穿的酷酷的,有"正確"的外觀(意指,看起來像娘泡)即可,因為這些女生對於藍眼金髮,看起來像布萊德彼特,唬爛成性,虛偽的男生入迷之快,跟她們脫裙子的速度不相上下。
Then these same girls will come crying to you (I know some of them and have even warned them what these guys are after, but these girls believe in Cinderella stories and think they are the only Cinderella in the world). They will cry, sob about how these guys cheated on them, howthey trusted them blah blah...and never ever trust them again... I justlaugh inside know if the same guy calls her again next week or another guy,they fall for it again.)
然後相同的女生會跑來跟你哭訴(我認識一些,甚至還警告她們這種男人心懷不軌,但是這些女生都相信灰姑娘的故事,更認為自己是世界上唯一的灰姑娘),她們會哭訴這種男人的負心,哭訴她們是如何的相信他...等千篇一律的故事,也會說自己永遠不會在相信這種男人。 但是我在心中暗自發笑,因為我知道如果同一個爛人,或下一個爛人,與她們再聯絡,她們仍然會重蹈覆測。
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