Intel 13、14代酷睿i9頻繁崩潰、藍屏!降頻之後居然就好了

是不是有問題的CPU只要開啟這個Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility 自動超頻程式,有機會玩遊戲就會藍屏?
可以用這個選測試CPU負載滿載的情況下有沒有問題!
這幾天突然測這個AVX2 約2分鐘,電腦會黑屏當機重開,我記得剛買電腦時我都有測,都可PASS沒問題~
還想說這個自動超頻開下去CPU會從5.1G跑到5.4G蠻方便的,
沒想到用不到2年,CPU跑滿載下還真會黑屏當機





BmwAmg888
我大概知道了 剛測了一下 也是藍~ 看來是100%都有
jshin
它這是CPU壽命問題,拿一顆新的來測幾乎都沒任何問題,已經用個半年一年的就出事了。
ThomasRhin wrote:
我倒覺得baseline就是intel授意,不然怎那麼剛好每家都叫做baseline,intel不自己出來推是為了出問題還能繼續卸責


不是Intel 授意, 而是主機板廠商根據Intel 指引自行強化, 然後推自己認定的baseline, 名為baseline是根據指引名稱裡最基礎參考值所給的命名. 如果你去看當初baseline推出後的各家評測, 就會發現這個baseline也根本是各家甚至高低階板都不一樣. 這次的鍋是主板和Intel 都要合力背, 其中一點也是Intel 不像AMD一樣會推AGESA. 然而即便像當初AMD 7系列 X3D會燒掉的情況, AMD更新 1.0.0.7 AGESA在韌體加入 SOC 電壓 1.3V 上限限制之後, ASUS的Beta BIOS 一樣超過1.3V SOC. ASUS 說 Beta BIOS 是按照 AMD 電壓指引處理, 會努力與 AMD 合作找原因, 實際上呢? 也一樣根本就是沒按指引走.

這次的問題是幾個知名Youtuber和小型組裝公司的崩潰文章貼出各大論壇就拼命轉, 同一篇轉A轉B轉C之後就感覺有大量累績, 問題是, 實際數據是多少? 底下是Puget Systems自家出貨的數據和說明

簡單說明內容, 從5月起CPU故障數量開始升高
1. 13/14代整體故障率2.X%, 仍然低於Ryzen 5000/7000系列的4%
2. Intel 方以故障的數量來說多數集中在14代, 12/13代相對極少
Puget Systems’ Perspective on Intel CPU Instability Issues

他們的故障率低, 就是當年被主機板商BIOS搞過, 2017年的時候每一家都說是按照Intel 指引的設定, 但實際上根本就是直接從BIOS中錯誤的解讀和超頻
Going all the way back to 2017, with the Intel 8700K processor, we published an article titled Why Do Hardware Reviewers Get Different Benchmark Results? which helped call attention to the fact that motherboards were shipping with “Multicore Enhancement” enabled, which set the CPU “All Core Turbo” to be equal to the “Single Core Turbo” frequency. This essentially was overclocking the CPU, by pushing it past official Intel specifications, and had negative effects on stability and temperatures.


自從那次之後, 他們就再也不信這些主機板商的預設值, 他們寧可自己按照Intel/ AMD的指引並且自己設定及測試確認相關參數, 尤其是功率設定
Since that time, our stance at Puget Systems has been to mistrust the default settings on any motherboard. Instead, we commit internally to test and apply BIOS settings — especially power settings — according to our own best practices, with an emphasis on following Intel and AMD guidelines.


他們也相信14代目前飆升的故障率即便有新的microcode修正, 近期內也還會看到相同狀況.
但每個月5-7個用戶故障真的不是大問題, 而且故障率看似飆升的原因是因為14代先前故障率極低的關係
Based on this information, we are definitely experiencing CPU failures higher than our historical average, especially with 14th Gen. We have enough data to know that we don’t have an acute problem on the horizon with 13th Gen — it is more of a slow burn. We do expect an elevated failure rate on 14th Gen while Intel finishes finding a root cause and issuing a microcode update. While the number of failures we are experiencing is definitely higher than our historical average, it is difficult to classify 5-7 failures a month in the field as a huge issue, and it is definitely a lower rate of failure than we are hearing about from others in the industry. The recent spike in 14th Gen failure rates stands out mostly because how incredibly low historical CPU failure rates tend to be.


最重要的就是這一段, 我之前分析過baseline的問題是主機板商給的數據根本就是基於內部經驗亂搞, 完全沒去看CPU指引, 這跟Puget Systems的結論一樣. 第一版修正的baseline就是保守過頭, 導致於處理器根本沒有得到足夠的功率來穩定運作; 第二次修正的defualt仍然在全核運作上一口氣增加功率+超頻導致過熱, 而非從CPU指引去回推設定所需要的真正功耗電流, 所以仍然會看到用戶動不動就電壓功耗爆表.
In the majority of cases, we are staying the course for now. Various BIOS updates have been launched by motherboard manufacturers to provide more conservative power settings, but in our opinion, they don’t quite hit the mark. They are either too conservative in some places (leading to unacceptable loss in performance) or they are not conservative enough. We trust our internally developed settings more. We also are concerned with the rise in failure rate, but it is not at a level of severity that changes our CPU recommendations for our customer workflows.


至於Intel 的鍋在哪裡, 他們沒有著墨, 但從從新款14901KE仍然在2024年推出就可知道, 去掉小核小核的調度穩定性必然是microcode需要修正的問題. 之前我分析過大小核運作, thread director與APO的調度方式, 小核不是沒用, 但必須要正確的使用, 不然反而會變成吃電怪獸+延遲的來源, 相同的問題AMD也很快就會在Zen5/ Zen 5c混用的時候遇到.
TiannanBOX
Puget這篇在巴哈被B爆,Puget原文下方留言區也一遍韃伐。開始賣intel產品後就不專業了,可能庫存一堆才出來幫洗地。
ace ventura
這半年多不知多少INTEL商業用戶/使用者都在爆料 INTEL CPU 不穩定藍屏問題, 現在還有人幫INTEL 洗地?![笑到噴淚]
反正延長二年保固加冷處理! 就當沒事了! 誠意很足了!!

之前大賺,現在大虧,高層肥薪一樣沒少領! 商品出什麼問題都是消費者要承受的!

你買到廣告不實、製程有問題的產品要打官司? 這又不是美國~
ace ventura
反正拖過保固期就沒事了[笑到噴淚]
Robbie Apple
嗯!! 省了一大筆回收費!! [笑] 9/4 拆售部門重大新聞消息、股價重挫到可能被踼出道瓊~
買K版 不能超頻 還要我降頻用 那是怎樣! 退錢!
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