2017 GSF

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文章編號：91042100

This 2021 RCF Fuji asks for 73K USD. Will you buy this over 3 years and 31K miles old RCF or a brand new Z Nismo???

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-Lexus-RC-F-d2297#listing=405283373/NONE/DEFAULT

I think 73K is too much for me.(I already have a GSF!!!) If both prices are similar, then I think both are good for me. I have to drive both before making the decision!!! 笑到噴淚

( I think I will buy RCF but it's very unlikely that RCF Fuji could cost less than 60K!!!)

PS: Actually 73K is NOT high at all, as in Japan, RCF Fuji is only slightly cheaper than GT-R.(non-Nismo, of course!!!) I also believe that Z Nismo, RCF and GT-R all should have similar body rigidity!!! 拇指向上

(about 30% less rigid than the Japanese top dog LC500 but 20% more rigid than my GSF!!! 笑到噴淚

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Again, this 2025 IS500 asks for about 73KUSD. Believe it or not, in Japan, Z Nismo is actually a little more expensive than IS500!!! Will you buy a IS500 or a Z Nismo???

(Now, a brand new 2024 Z Nismo only asks for about 60K!!!)

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/new/searchresults.action?sourceContext=untrackedExternal_false_0&distance=50&inventorySearchWidgetType=NEW_CAR&zip=95192&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d2824&isDeliveryEnabled=true#listing=406817327/NONE/DEFAULT

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Weight, Length...

GT-R : 3935lbs (at least 150lbs AWD), 185.4in
RCF : 3958lbs, 185.2in
Z Nismo : 3704lbs, 173.2in

The body rigidity of GT-R, RCF and Z Nismo should be similar... But, more precisely, I think Z Nismo = RCF > GT-R or maybe Z Nismo > RCF > GT-R...

I think Nissan may stop selling GT-Rs very soon!!!

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文章編號：91042401

Actually Nissan already announced 2024 was the final year for GT-R(R35) and 2024 is the first production year of Z Nismo(RZ34)!!!

So, actually it's 2024 Z Nismo which lets GT-R(R35) completely outdated!!! (Therefore, I believe Z Nismo(RZ34) should be more rigid than GT-R R35!!!)

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-nissan-gtr-takumi-skyline-edition-final-r35-model/

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文章編號：91043527

This person own both 2024 GT-R and 2023 Z (Non-Nismo)!!! The below is what the person said... (Of course, Z Nismo will be a bit more sporty than regular Z)

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So I drove my 23 Z back-to-back with my 24 R35 and here’s some initial impressions:

the latest version of the R35 feels noticeably faster than the ‘16 version I previously had. The engine pulls much harder to redline and it sounds more angry and ferocious in either manual or auto mode. My ‘16 sounded pretty quiet in manual mode and sounded more like a vacuum cleaner with a lot of hissing noises. It could be that peak power is 6800RPM now vs. 6400RPM; the higher redline of 7100RPM vs 7000RPM; the full titanium exhaust, and of course the 20 extra HP. Either way, it’s a hell of an aural and seat-of-pants-feel difference. Plus it rides better, the interior is much more high-end looking and feels more luxurious with leather everywhere and it pulls harder, as if Linda Blair from the Exorcist resides under the hood. Nissan has definitely improved the acoustics from the 16 to the 24 models.
compared to the R35, the Z revs faster to redline. The R35 you can shift manually no problem; you have plenty of time to execute your manual shifts. The Z spins so fast that in manual mode you can hit the Rev limiter much faster, particularly in the first 4 gears. The Z also sounds like it has more artificial sounds being pumped into the cabin. It sounds great, kind of reminding me of my old NA2 NSX at times, but it sounds somewhat artificial. The R35 sounds much more mechanically demonic and authentic in comparison. I don’t mind artificial sounds, kind of like The Matrix, “the less I know the better,”--but on back to back runs, the fake sounds are less desirable to the ear.
The 9 speed auto in the Z has one key advantage on the freeway: there’s no drone sound. With 9 gears you can be at 65MPH at like 1400 RPM, whereas with the R35 you would be at like 2600 RPM and higher as the GR6 transmission could use as least one more gear—not for acceleration, but for cruising on the highway.
The GR6 transmission in the R35 executes shifts with much more conviction. Every shift is met with a definitive hard punch as you move forward to the next gear. The Z, using a Benz automatic *without* the AMG wet clutch, feels more like what is it, a standard automatic. I still think Nissan should have licensed the AMG version of this transmission because it definitely makes a difference in a C63.
The VR30 runs hotter than the VR38. The Z will get into engine fluid temperatures well north of 200F but the R35 stays in the 170-180F range. The Z also has a differential temperature digital gauge, which the R35 does not, which I find odd.
The R35 feels much more mechanical than the Z. Of course there’s the ATTESA all-wheel drive system but the controls and the way it goes about delivering speed are much more “brute force old school wrath of God-type” raw power. The Z sounds great, particularly from 5K RPM to redline, when the engine starts to howl, but the R35 sounds much more mechanically angry and terrifying in its power delivery.
The Z is running an open deck VR30 and the R35 is running a closed deck VR38. Looking at the two engines, driving them, and reading about them, there’s no discernible similarities. In auto mode the Z can, at times, sound like ~1/4 of a R35. The VR38 visually looks more like a VQ37HR in the lower 1/2 with an all new intake runner and turbo set up on the top 1/2 of the engine. The VR30 is completely obscured by plastic shrouds. The old 90s 300ZX I had with the VG engine looked better from a visual standpoint.
The digital cockpit in the Z is obviously much more advanced than the analog gauges and dot matrix-looking digital info pod in the R35 dash. That being said, I stare at a computer screen all day so I prefer the analog GT-R gauges to more digital sensory overload.
The GT-R has a relatively massive trunk, you could fit a golf bag and several medium-sized suitcases in it. The Z has, well, storage for nothing. However, surprisingly the Z has more interior storage room. Whereas the R35 center console is microscopic, in the Z you can actually fit more things in it. The Z also has USB adapters in front of the automatic gear selector, while the USB adapters for the R35 are way behind the automatic gear selector, which means you have to turn around to plug your phone in.
Both cars use the same exact dark metal shift paddles AFAIK. The 16 R35 had these gigantic leather-coated shift paddles which were unique but also kind of odd, especially over time as the leather gets dated.
The seats in the R35 with the semi-aniline leather feel way more softer and comfortable. Sitting in a R35 is no different than sitting in a Maxima, with the seats all the way down. When sitting in a Z, you are literally on the ground. Not like a C7 vette, but perhaps a level or two higher than that. The Z also needs more damping; the suspension is under-damped and jumps up and down when the road is anything but smooth and perfectly paved. The R35 has Bilstein dampers, so of course you have multiple suspension settings from R mode to Comfort mode.
The stock Bridgestone tires on the Z are really bad. I replaced them with PS4S and it makes a 180 degree difference. The stock Dunlop tires on the R35 are closer in performance to the Michelins, but still not quite in the same league. For whatever reason, Nissan uses Bridgestone and Dunlop rather than Michelin and Pirelli, like other high performance car manufacturers.
In the end, I can see what Tamura-san is referring to; the R35 is like strapping on a mobile suit (Gundam). You get into it and it makes you feel bionic. The Z is more like an old school rear wheel drive “dance partner” of sorts, in that you still need to do the work, and balance the rear end to try and extract its full performance. At least from my POV, the Z could use better damping, at least a few different suspension settings and more comfortable seats. There are dealer markups on both of these cars these days, but obviously the Z is the better value, while the R35 is more than twice the car that the Z is, in many ways.
From my POV, the Z is the prettier car, while the R35 has a more substantial, imposing presence; it’s basically an all-out Japanese muscle car, with an unbeatable rear-end view. I applaud Nissan for still producing these cars. If you think about it, Nissan has been producing the R35 for 16 years. In that time, Honda came out with another “NSX,” it failed for multiple reasons and was subsequently killed off. The fact that the R35 was faster than the much more expensive and overly complex NSX--and is still in production--is such a great achievement for Nissan, and a testament to the legacy of the GT-R. And the fact that the RZ-34 was even made with all the changes going on in the industry with electrification and Nissan’s internal drama are just a reminder that Nissan’s car guys are fighters and wouldn’t give up, no matter the odds. Get either one of ‘em while you can, as both are already banned in Europe and who knows how much longer Nissan can produce them for the US and Japan before being forced to pull a Tim Kuniskis…and make electric sports cars that require a reboot and a charge every other day…

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/threads/4ba-r35-gtr-vs-rz-34-driving-impressions.2118/

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So, GT-R, a performance car is as COOL as GSF, another performance car... 拇指向上

(Both oil temps are around 170-180F)

The owner also mentioned Z dampers were not as good as GT-R Bilstein dampers. I think that's because regular Z tries to provide a comfortable ride. Z Nismo dampers are definitely a bit more stable but the ride comfort could also be sacrificed!!!

I'm not sure how stiff Z Nismo will be... Maybe I still need an Ohlins suspension for Z, 笑到噴淚

as Ohlins springs are definitely a bit more stiff than the springs from the Nismo suspension, but both ride qualities could be similar, or Ohlins could be a little better!!!

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文章編號：91048233

I have a good and cheap solution for Z Nismo's stiff dampers!!!

Actually I can replace those Tokico dampers in Z Nismo with Koni Yellow Adjustable dampers, just like what I did on 2000 Maxima in Taiwan!!! In my experience, Koni Yellow dampers provided more damping force and more comfortable ride than Tokico sports adjustable dampers!!!

As Koni Yellow dampers are adjustable, I also can tune the damper force(actually only rebound damping) to meet my preferred ride!!! 拇指向上

PS: Believe it or not... 2024 Z Nismo dampers and 370Z dampers are interchangeable!!! They both have exactly same chassis!!!

Actually regular Z's suspension is already stiff(its springs are stiffer than GR 86's) but its dampers provide more comfortable ride than 86's!!! Of course, Z Nismo's suspension is even stiffer. I would say Z Nismo's springs should be a bit stiffer than 86's but Z Nismo's dampers could provide a similarly stiff ride like 86's!!! (or maybe even stiffer than 86)

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文章編號：91048501

The latest and newer IS platform made GS platform outdated!!! So, Lexus stopped selling any GS including GSF in 2021. If you want to buy a GS, go buying a IS instead!!! 笑到噴淚

(However, ,IS is a bit smaller than GS. You have NO choice!!! You have to accept that!!! We cannot produce too many different cars!!! It's TOO COMPLICATED!!! 笑到噴淚

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Now, again, 2024 Z Nismo makes GT-R R35 outdated!!! So, Nissan will stop selling GT-R in 2025. If you want to buy a GT-R, go buying a Z instead!!! 笑到噴淚

(However, Z is smaller and a bit slower than GT-R. Again, you have NO choice!!! You have to accept that!!! We cannot produce too many different cars!!! It's TOO COMPLICATED!!! 笑到噴淚

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Again, NO ONE is perfect... orz

(Some people can do many jobs but those jobs are only OK. Some people cannot do many jobs but can do one or two great jobs!!! Of course, those great jobs may not be what you want!!!)

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OMG! Recently I become sleepless... Why? That's Z!!! (I couldn't get Z Nismo out of my head!!! orz

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Actually I still love my GSF a lot. I keep exploring my GSF and the more I play(explore) with it the more I like it!!! Then, Z Nismo is a new and stiffer platform which should be 20-30% stiffer than my GSF. In addition, Z is a bit smaller than my GSF. So, even thought my GSF is already very fun, Z is definitely even much more fun than my GSF, especially once I also put an Ohlins suspension on Z!!! 拇指向上

Can someone please buy those Z Nismo around my city??? If Nissan sell out all those Zs, then I think I will stop thinking Z!!! 笑到噴淚

(I cannot buy Z now as I'm still waiting for LFR!!!)

Thank GOD!!! At least, I'm not a BMW fan. If I were a BMW fan, I could have became sleepless EVERY YEAR!!! (As BMW may create a new platform every year!!! 笑到噴淚

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文章編號：91052668

I think in a similar price range, German cars could provide better driving experience overall...

(although both Japanese cars and German cars have pros and cons)

However, the differences are SUBTLE especially for an average driver like me. (Don't tell me only your German cars can provide a lot of fun. Actually, Japanese cars also can provide TONS OF fun!!!)

Like I said before, if German cars could provide about 90% of the Japanese cars' reliabilities, I think I would buy one. However, their reliabilities are completely beat to death by Japanese cars' reliabilities!!! (I will definitely NOT waste my hard-earned money on those unreliable products!!! 拇指向下

Cars are NOT cheap at all, especially for premium cars!!!)

PS: Actually I can save a lot of money on my previous very reliable Japanese cars and buy a very nice Japanese car in the future. Again, don't tell me your lower end German car can beat my higher end Japanese car. (I will definitely NOT believe that shxt!!!) If you can drive an expensive car for at least 15 years, then that car is not expensive any more!!! 笑到噴淚

2017 GSF

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