二手B&W 802F Series 80 Floorstanding Speakers 值得買嗎?

Antus wrote:
Matrix 800...(恕刪)


Dear Antus:
Thanks for the information, it really helps, and I then did a bit research based on that. Yes, the "twicking control" would potentially lead to a kind of "tolerance" of sound quality. Furthermore, there were some players even "upgraded"/replaced its original tweeters by more recent models - even though I am not sure whether it would help or not overall.

On the other hand, I noticed that it was so hard to find the specifications for this pair of speakers. Here is the only technical information I could get so far:

http://www.hifi-studio.de/hifi-klassiker/B+W/B+W-802.htm

In the technical data section, it says that the frequency response range is:
50 - 20.000 Hz (plus/minus 2 dB)

If this is the case, two further questions need to be discussed:
(1) First of all, no offence, but just a pure discussion. According to the specification I found, the speakers are able to reproduce sound frequency ranged from 50 - 20000 Hz, rather than up to 16000 Hz. If it is possible and convenient to you, could you please double check this part for me?

(2) Even though the Series 80's lowest frequency response is 50 Hz, by comparing to my "little" 685 speakers (47 Hz - specified officially), 802F is way deeper and more solid in low frequency range. On top of that, few players (discussions on internet) also mentioned excellent performance about 802F Series 80's bass (low frequency). As a result, I am a bit confused about the specified 50 Hz as well.

In summary, the specification of 50-20000 Hz frequency range is "doubtful" to me at current stage. Since there is no other technical date available to compare with, in other words, I am not sure how accurate the specification info I found is. What do you think? Cheers.

tem21 wrote:
謝謝大大~! 小弟今...(恕刪)


會不會真的很難推哩

7001 OK嗎
figo1019 wrote:
會不會真的很難推哩7...(恕刪)


報告大大,說到這裡小弟就深感慚愧啦~! 手邊與身邊並沒有更好的器材能用來做比較~! 加上喇叭32kg一個,實在沒動力與力氣搬到hi-fi shop去試聽....

小弟雖然很喜歡音響,但荷包實在不深(有熱情,沒money啊.... 嗚.... ),因此之前為了學習何為"正確"的聲音,購買了一些耳機(HD650, DT-990, DT-880),外加勉強能用的MX-1當訊源.但即使是如此,小弟還是覺得碰到B&W 8系列的應該還是是耳力與判斷力不夠用.

以下是目前所能整理出的心得:

802F vs 685 (都使用7001,同樣聆聽空間)
802F非常明顯的強過685.特別是在音場與低音的部份.可是有一部份小弟留意到有不確定的,那就是高音部份.聽了幾天以後,留意到並不像685那樣"亮脆".加上與Antus大大私下討論過802F Series 80的高音以後,可列出以下幾種可能:

(1) 802F Series 80的高音的確是弱的一環
(2) 小弟7001 (訊源是Keces DA-151 MKII) 不夠發揮802F Series的實力
(3) 小弟耳力不夠水準,聽錯真正的重點,把 "聲音走向不同""高音發揮水準" 弄混了.

也許是以上其中一個或綜合可能性所造成的.

當然,802F的整體表現是高出685太多了~!! 特別是音場的部份,真的挺誇張的~! 不只是有左右寬廣的感覺,更重要的是竟然有"前後"的深度層次感~!!! 以前在685上,頂多就覺得定位清楚,有景深,但不會感覺到"誰在誰的前面或後面"的感覺~!!

802F vs 耳機 (vs 685)
以前685跟耳機一pk的話,馬上就輸了一大截(撇開音場部份不說),因為解析度實在不是很夠,會有矇矇的感覺.但現在802F的解析度確是相當的好了!! 雖然不是那麼亮脆,或甚至有點給人感覺很暖溫厚的感覺,解析度確是相當好的~!!基本上跟小弟的耳機差不多~!! 802F屬於很耐聽的溫柔暖聲,跟刺激的DT-990不一樣,而跟HD650比較類似~! 加上很棒的音場與景深層次感,小弟最近常黏在802F的前面~ 哈,當然,音響不像耳機一樣會傷耳朵,不用30分鐘就要"休息一下"(很掃興的).開8點鐘方向,音量就很夠了(小房間.....又是水準發揮的另一大隱憂啊....) 不過,以上討論有幾個問題需要考量:

(1) 小弟的耳機雖都會好耳機,但卻是用MX-1,不是完全夠格的訊源與耳擴來推,所以,只能說如果完美正確的聲音是100分的話,小弟是以60分的水準來做比較基準的.
(2) 與耳機比較,只能看解析度,聲音層次感,樂器分離度,與聲音走向這些方面.其他方面如音場等,就不適合拿來做比較基準.因為耳機與音響本身就各有所長.
(3) 音響的空間與擺位會有很直接且嚴重的影響,但耳機原則上沒有.所以,問題也有可能會出在小弟的空間方面.

小結
綜合以上所說的~ 小弟只能說目前還滿意802F Series 80搭配 7001的表現~!但最大的可能是在於小弟的耳朵還不是金耳,因為手邊的器材(包括耳機)都沒辦法把小弟帶到另一個聲音表現的層次.

所以,要真正的了解7001是否夠推,大概只能等待更好的amp與訊源才有辦法了.

唉... 就算給我Plinius的 pre-amp和power-amp,那時Keces DA-151 MKII大概又搭配不上了.... 我到底是怎麼掉進Hi-Fi音響這坑的啊.....
==> 想起來了,還要感謝Creative T40呢,讓我開始知道啥是好聽的中音與高音~! 後來又是Audioengine A2....送我妹了~ 到現在的 A5, 685, 802F.... 哦!! 還有一台不上不下的 Scandyna Micro sub 2.1 (真的不怎樣,別被它可愛外表給拉進去了~)
恭喜入手 8系列阿~~

我以前也是HD650 愛好者

目前大概只能考慮CM9 系列吧 > <
hey, got a series 3 tweeter and install urself. if i remmeber correctly, a tweeter cost only $100 USD each. well worth the upgrade in think.

in addition, get the schimic from B&W website and buy parts locally, replace with old crossover, u will notice another large level of improvement. the cost would be around $100 to $300 USD each speakers. depends on the parts u use.

after those two upgrade, u will need to spend A LOT MORE to get little improvement in ur sound system.

yenjwang wrote:
恭喜入手 8系列阿~...(恕刪)


CM9也不錯阿 綱烤也處理的不錯哩
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