空軍姦殺女童冤案 --- 反廢死 vs 廢死





我覺得這件事最可惡的不只是錯殺 , 還有汙衊

他死之後難道他的家人不會被人指指點點嗎?


如果這件事沒報出來他一輩子就被冠上強姦犯的頭銜~

這是比死還難受的酷刑~等於家人還要活受罪...

但我們的政府 除了滅火開脫~

能否認就否認

承認就說這是一個遺憾


遺憾是別人的遺憾不是自家的遺憾

人殺人恐怖

國家司法殺人是恐佈至極


因為國家不會錯

只會有遺憾



至於死刑

大家是法官嗎?

只會為反對而反對講話就很高明嗎?


事情本來就一體兩面何要爭執?

今天是討論一個受冤屈的亡靈

不是拿來趁機高談闊論些死刑不死刑


反正現在 該死的也沒死

不該死的卻死了

我的感覺而已...















某些如果看不同別人文章涵義就不要亂回

會造成誤會

hk127413 wrote:
社會又充斥著比較不理性的激情,讓整體司法變得不跟民意走叫恐龍法官,跟民意走又怕有所誤判...



偵察過程公開..全民公審.有罪推定..
媒體記者無冕王..動筆就可以殺人...
有如死亡筆記本的奇樂...
神戶齊 wrote:
要挑的話就沒辦法賤賣...(恕刪)


為捨摸這些大體在你眼中變成跳樓大拍賣了~
最近是很缺$$嗎?

去買張大樂透吧~
大家一起對!!

不想再說 wrote:
呵!多年前,林...(恕刪)

"江"國慶的案子一直都是軍方單方面的說"罪證確鑿"
如果說因為怕誤判就廢除死刑
那您就別吃食物了
因為吃了可能會噎到 噎到可能會噎死
廢除死刑不會降低誤判的可能性
只有司法改革才可以
蔣薇薇 wrote:
我是跟你說
我的意思是
"很多恐龍法官 我第一次打的並沒有影射到全部法官都這樣"

看來我跟你代溝很深吼?


對啊...我也沒有想到代溝這麼深,而且同是中文.

我從頭到尾也沒有說你影射到全部法官啊...幹麻自己解讀...???

你說有恐龍法官,不管是一個或幾個好了,既然有恐龍法官可能會該判未判,當然會有恐龍法官不該判也判.

這就是我說的.

不想再說 wrote:
有許多人不相信法官,整天恐龍法官,恐龍法官,但卻支持死刑.真不知道邏輯在哪?真不知道在想什麼!

GKKSWAE wrote:
如果說因為怕誤判就廢除死刑

那您就別吃食物了

因為吃了可能會噎到 噎到可能會噎死

廢除死刑不會降低誤判的可能性

只有司法改革才可以


只有司法改革才可以+1

但就台灣執法人員的素質.要改成無罪推定.符合程序正義不知道等到民國幾百年..
美國就調查估計7%的誤判率..至於該不該因噎廢食..
我想我不會放棄吃飯..因為噎死的機率低..
我想我不會放棄開車..因為車禍至死的機率也沒很高..
但我不會想要坐一家航空公司的飛機....
如果它飛一百次就會有七次失事的話...

GKKSWAE wrote:
"江"國慶的案子一直都是軍方單方面的說"罪證確鑿"
如果說因為怕誤判就廢除死刑
那您就別吃食物了
因為吃了可能會噎到 噎到可能會噎死
廢除死刑不會降低誤判的可能性
只有司法改革才可以


呵!果然人是健忘的.

但我可沒忘.

當年這件事發生時,我正在軍中當預官.

輿論可是一片倒的說這件事"罪證確鑿",這個人該死云云..

當然,當年這群軍中幹部是這件事的頭號罪犯.

但殺死江國慶的,輿論才是最大兇手.

當時的報紙都有記載,更不用提軍中的宣導了.

吃食物和這件事能相比?

癈除死刑的確不會降低誤判的可能性.

但可以防止被誤判的人,受到不可回復的處罰.
prain wrote:
但犯罪行為學研究而言
對於多數觸犯死刑的犯罪行為人而言
死刑的存在
往往是不具嚇阻意義的


那這可不可以擴大解釋成多數觸犯"某種刑罰"的人而言,"某種刑罰"的存在往是不具嚇阻意義的?

個人以為此種研究結果乃是先有定論之下所產生的!
要找反證也很簡單,請問廢除死刑的社會,重大刑案是否有減少?
答案就是沒有,
不然廢死團體早就高舉這個對他們的訴求非常有利的事實來推動廢死,
然而為什麼只會說出死刑對重大刑案沒有嚇阻力?

我尊重認同廢除死刑的理念,
但我鄙視許多人屢屢"故意地"利用數據,為的就是來支撐他們的廢死理念!
如果要說誤判,下面這段我前面有貼過的,就要再看一次.

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下面是尚未癈除死刑的美國人的自省.

美國伊利諾州通過癈除死刑

可以看到人家說癈除死刑,但也更強調要照顧受害者的家人和心情.

Illinois death penalty ban sent to Gov. Pat Quinn

SPRINGFIELD --- A historic measure to abolish the death penalty in Illinois passed the state Senate today after nearly two hours of impassioned debate.

The ban on executions goes to Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn, who must sign the legislation for it to become law. During last fall's campaign, Quinn said he supports "capital punishment when applied carefully and fairly," but also backs the 10-year-old moratorium on executions. (See Question 4 here.)

The Senate voted 32-25 to approve the ban, with two members voting present. The measure passed the House last week.

You can see how your state senator voted today by clicking here. You can see how your House member voted last week by clicking here.

Sponsoring Sen. Kwame Raoul, D-Chicago, urged his colleagues to “join the civilized world” and end the death penalty in Illinois.

Raoul spoke of how authorities were certain when they prosecuted Jerry Hobbs and Kevin Fox for killing their own little girls. Both confessed under coercion and both were exonerated by DNA evidence. The senator spoke of is 10-year-old daughter and how he could not imagine what a wrongly accused father would go through.

Illinois “ought to be embarrassed” by its track record of wrongful convictions, Raoul said, “because if an execution were to take place, it takes place in the name of the people of Illinois.”

Sen. John Millner, R-Carol Stream, a former Elmhurst police chief with experience of interviewing more than 1,000 defendants, called for making more reforms to the system before eliminating the death penalty. He also called for more training of police officers, including how to avoid false confessions.

“I ask you all, please,” Millner said, to consider a crime victim’s families.

Sen. Willie Delgado, D-Chicago, a former parole agent, cited how he worked in the attorney general’s office when the wrongful convictions of Rolando Cruz and Alejandro Hernandez were examined.

“Ladies and gentlemen, the system is broken,” Delgado said. He maintained “death is too good for some folks” and said they should be allowed to sit in prison for natural life, where they can “rot and think about what they have done.”

Sen. Kirk Dillard, a Hinsdale Republican who worked on death penalty reforms now in place, said the people of his district believe in executions for mass murderers and killers of police, prison guards and children.

“I think there’s still a place for the death penalty for the worst of the worst of our society,” Dillard said.

Dillard and Sen. Bill Haine, an Alton Democrat and former Madison County state’s attorney, called for putting the question before Illinois citizens.

But Sen. Toi Hutchinson, D-Olympia Fields, said lawmakers are elected to make the tough decisions, and she called on colleagues said Illinois should break company with Afghanistan, China, Iran, Iraq, Congo, Saudi Arabia and other countries that allow the death penalty.

“We’re here because we’ve seen countless examples of the fact that the system has failed,” Hutchinson said. “This question is not about the people who we know did it. It’s about the people who were convicted who didn’t. It’s about our system of justice is actually predicated upon the protection of the innocent and executing one innocent person is too high a price to pay.”

Sen. Dan Duffy, R-Lake Barrington, argued that 20 people sent to Death Row in Illinois have been exonerated and the taxpayer costs have been too great to be left with an ineffective and expensive use of scarce resources.

“What we have learned after all this time is that the system cannot be fixed,” Duffy said.

Sen. Jeff Schoenberg, D-Evanston, said he has long prayed over the death penalty issue but that the system in Illinois “is not marginally flawed. It is irretrievable broken.”
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