一位二手寶獅車主的無奈

soen wrote:
我去年牽了一台96年...(恕刪)

大大敢問你車車應該很吃油吧 曾經也想去帥氣 一下 但是害怕 負擔不起 ...
戒了咖啡的山羊 wrote:
我堂哥就是專玩吉星而...(恕刪)


是什麼理由只用化油氣的呢?
yameme wrote:
抱歉~岔個題.......(恕刪)


呵~~yameme大果然利害

小弟當初的小Lu正是2000年尾進到台灣的(聽說好像算是第一批到台灣的Lupo)...不過是2001年1月底才交車的

其實一開始我也覺得賣31萬實在有點給他太低

不過因為後來開了兩年多覺得車畢竟還是稍嫌小...想換大點的...加上既然那位業代幫賣的價格比回原廠估的高...所以沒細想那麼多就賣了

另外雖然yameme大賣了41萬...不過我沒記錯的話

小Lu好像後來陸續都有調漲價格喔(忘了是2002年還是2003年)

所以可能二手市場的行情也相對有改變...才會產生如此大的差異吧
Benson.K
benson0518 wrote:
另外雖然yameme大賣了41萬...不過我沒記錯的話
小Lu好像後來陸續都有調漲價格喔(忘了是2002年還是2003年)
所以可能二手市場的行情也相對有改變...才會產生如此大的差異吧


我當初牽 58 萬.....漲價後的價格是 62~64.....
可能真是我賣的時間比你晚,所以有賺到一點。
timeout888 wrote:
是什麼理由只用化油氣...(恕刪)

用化油器的老車維修簡單,也不怕電腦故障,就算換掉也沒多少錢...
切..M01真是臥虎藏龍,上次貼駕照,這次要貼VIP卡了..
現在是開雷諾SCINEC,前三台車都是日系車,感覺上引擎比較精緻,內裝較豪華,故障比較少,維修也比較方便及便宜.不像現在這台在保固期間小問題一堆,維修又貴!雖然講到歐洲車這麼多缺點,但是它的操控,安全及設計,讓我深深著迷!如果真的要選擇下一台車,我想我還是會選擇歐系車吧!up 因為帶來的開車樂趣實在太多了,跟先前開日系車真的有很大的不同!!!!!!
如果不想承受換東西的風險,那最好是買新車,因為你永遠不知道下一次要換什麼
我也是買二手車,前年11月買的,96年的OPEL TIGRA 1.4 15萬辦到好,含保險
除了內裝一些小雜音以外,沒有什麼太大的問題,可能我的運氣好,前一手車主顧的不錯
後來冷氣壓縮機壞掉花了1.2萬,方向機花了6000.溫度太高改了溫度開關2000,沒換過東西了
這都是我預期會換的東西
為什麼買這台?
1.我的預算就是10幾萬
2.10幾萬可以買到雙A(ABS.2個AIR BAG)我看選擇不多了
3.歐洲車的安全性-板金.底盤剛性等等
4.省油,40公升高速公路開冷氣可以跑580公里
5.外型還不錯,10年前的喜美外型到現在應該不能看了
建議買二手車的朋友要多比較,多聽,多看,充實自己汽車的知識,這要才能買到心目中的好車





benson0518 wrote:
呵~~yameme大...(恕刪)


benson大的lupo現在是搶手貨喔!!
沒記錯的話,該批的lupo還是德製的.
不像後期的,都是西班牙作的...
LESS IS MORE !!
提供一下,關於AL4變速箱常見的問題,及國外的處理步驟.
希望對板主有用

<<原文>>

AL4 Pressure Regulation Fault

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Created: 27. 09. 2003
Updated: 20. 09. 2005


Model: 206, 306, 307, 406 with AL4 Automatic Transmission.

Symptoms
Flashing of the snow or sports light or Automatic Transmission Fault on display.

In most cases the transmission will go into the downgraded mode, or limp home. In this mode the transmission is locked in third speed to enable to continue the operation of the vehicle. This is reported by some drivers as a loss of power. The downgraded mode can be preceded by some very harsh up or down shifts. After stopping and restarting the engine, the transmission will usually return to normal operation.

Most of the time the problem appears at unpredictable intervals. Some owners experience incidences on a daily basis and others may have weeks of trouble free operation between incidents. Normally the malfunction lasts only for short periods, from a few seconds to a minute or two.

The following fault code is logged in the transmission ECU:
"Intermittent fault. Pressure regulation fault, recommendation/variation"

Cause
The pressure regulation fault code is triggered when the ECU senses a difference between the calculated pressure and the actual line pressure in the transmission. The pressure difference is caused by internal leakage. Internal leaks can be caused by mechanical wear, a leak between valve body and transmission casing, incorrect adjustment of the manual valve index spring. The most common cause however is the pressure regulation solenoid valve.


Diagnosis.
The diagnosis is not straightforward, several operations are required to eliminate possibilities.

Transmission fluid
Check the fluid level in the transmission and rectify if as required. Low or high fluid levels are equally harmfull.
Save some of the drained fluid in a clean container for examination.
The transmission may need to be overhauled or replaced if:
The fluid sample is black and smells burnt, contains metal particles, plastic particles or friction material.
New fluid is transparent. Fluid drained from a transmission that has been in operation for some time is usually dark in colour and lacks transparency, this is acceptable and not necessarily an indication of an internal fault. Caution is to be exercised with the fluid assessment.

Pressure sensor
With help of the diagnostic computer check the transmission line pressure.
The following parameters are expected.
At idle in N: 2,4 - 2,8 bars.
At idle in D: 2,8 - 3,1 bars.
Under full load 2200 rpm: 11,3 - 11,7 bars.
If there is no change in pressures, test the sensor and sensor supply.
If a sensor is faulty a constant pressure of 6,5 bars is maintained by the system. This would also mean that the transmision would be in Limp Home Mode and that the fault is permanent. Since the problem usually is intermittent the pressure readings will check out OK most of the time. If no other problems have been found so far, continue with section 3.

Solenoid Valves
Replace the pressure regulation valve and the converter lock-up valves.
Make sure the 2 seals behind the valve body are correctly fitted. If necessary replace the seals.
Tension the valve body bolts to 8 NM.
After fitting the valve body adjust the selector index spring
Adjust the multi-function switch.
Before fitting the pan ensure the 2 magnets are present.
Fill the transmission with new fluid and adjust the level.
Update the transmission ECU software. The older software versions are not compatible with the new Borg Warner valves.
The operations autlined obove will in most cases resolve the pressure regulation problem. If the problem can't be resolved follow step 4 or 5.

Valve Body
Replace the valve body
Transmission
Replace or overhaul the transmission.


Part No. For solenoid: 2574.10 (obsolete)

Part No. For new Borg Warner valves: 2574.16

Part No. For set of magnets: 2221.17

Part No. For transmission fluid. (2 litres): 9736.22

Important reminders

Only use genuine Peugeot transmission fluid.
The fluid level must be correct.
The correct adjustment of the manual valve index spring is very important.
Adjust the multi-function switch after the valve adjustment.
Cleanliness is absolutely essential when working on the transmission.


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Technical information by
peugeotlogic.com

<<部份翻譯,由psaclub的Tj大提供>>

AL4 Pressure Regulation Fault

Created: 27. 09. 2003
Updated: 29. 09. 2003

Model: 206, 306, 307, 406 with AL4 Automatic Transmission.

Symptoms
In all instances the warning light on the dash will flash, (Snow and Sport light) indicating a malfunction in the transmission or the transmission control system.

In most cases the transmission will go into the downgraded mode, or limp home. In this mode the transmission is locked in third speed to enable to continue the operation of the vehicle. This is reported by some drivers as a loss of power. The downgraded mode can be preceded by some very harsh up or down shifts.

Usually the problem appears at unpredictable intervals. It is possible to have weeks of trouble free operation between incidents. Mostly the malfunction lasts only for short periods from a few seconds to a minute or two. Normaly when the engine is stopped and restarted after the illumination of the warning light, the system will be back to operating normally.

Diagnosis
DIAG2000顯示症狀為 '間斷性錯誤; 油壓控制閥'
The following fault code appears in the transmission ECU: "Intermittent fault. Pressure regulation fault"

First course of action.
第一階段只upgrade電腦,規零,檢查油面
Check the software version of the transmission ECU and update if necessary. Cleare the fault codes and initialise the autoadaptives. Check the fluid level and adjust as required.

Important: It is very important for the transmission fluid to be kept at the correct level. To much fluid is as harmful as a low level. Use Peugeot fluid only. (ESSO LT 7114) Part No. 9736.22
The vehicle can now be returned to service. If there is a recurrence, follow the steps bellow.

Second course of action
如仍未解除需換零件,油壓控制閥
Only to be carried out if the first course of action was unsuccessful.
Replace the 2 pressure regulation solenoids on the transmission's valve body.
Ensure the 2 magnets on the transmission pan are present.
If the fluid is dark, drain the transmission for a second time after completion of the work and a road test. This is to further replenish the fluid in order to improve the operation of all valves.

零件編號Part No. For solenoid: 2574.10
靠自己實力敗家,才是王道!!!
再來一份

AL4自排詳細資料

規定只能用ESSO 4HP20(PEUGEOT 編號 pr9736.22) 不過目前協和是用total的
原則上不需換油建議60000KM檢查一次油面補充。
自行斟酌,該份資料是以國外使用環境設定下
油量不足時車上S和雪地燈互閃時應回廠檢查,補充量=0.5L。
但是接診斷電腦有換油指示。diag 2000 將要求Oil Change to be Carried Out

以下是英國廠內部資料(有關放油,加油,檢查部分),有興趣請自行閱讀

B2CI05K1 - 206 AL4 AUTOMATIC GEARBOX

DRAINING/REFILLING/CHECK OF LEVEL OIL

1 - FOREWORD

The (AL4) autoadaptive automatic gearbox is lubricated for life .

All that is required is an oil level check at 60000 km .

Despite that, the automatic gearbox has a system for measuring oil quality .

The AL4 autoadaptive automatic gearbox ECU has an oil wear sensor .

For a given time interval, the counter increases by a certain number of units (of wear) depending on the temperature of the gearbox .

When the counter is exhausted, the gearbox ECU informs the driver of the presence of a fault by the flashing of the Sport and Snow indicator lights on the instrument panel .

Using the diagnostic equipment, the technician checks whether or not it is necessary to replace the gearbox oil .

For any operation requiring a top-up of at least 0,5 litre(s) of gearbox oil, update the oil wear counter by using the diagnostic equipment .

IMPERATIVE : in the case of an automatic gearbox oil change, following flashing of the Sport and Snow indicator lights with a message on the diagnostic equipment: Oil Change to be Carried Out = Yes + counter exhausted at units, fill in the automatic gearbox form ; see SERVICE INFORMATION(s) : repair procedure BVA 4HP20 / AL4 / MB3 number 425 and 399 .

2 - DRAINING

NOTE : gearbox in place ; partial oil change; about 4 litre(s) are removed .


Gearbox oil warm : Remove the bolt (1) (6 sides of 27 mm) .

3 - REFILLING

IMPERATIVE : use only ESSO LT 71141 fluid .


REMOVE THE CAP (2) USING THE TOOL [23] .

IMPERATIVE : do not remove the bolt (3) .

FILL THE GEARBOX USING THE EQUIPMENT [22] .

Quantity of oil to use :

after draining and refilling : 4 litre(s)
after removal/refitting of hydraulic block housing : 1,5 litre(s)
after draining and replacement of hydraulic block : 4,5 litre(s)
after draining and replacement of converter : 5 litre(s)
IMPERATIVE : for any operation requiring a top-up of at least 0,5 litre(s) of gearbox oil, update the oil wear counter by using the diagnostic equipment ; follow the oil level checking procedure .

4 - CHECK

IMPERATIVE : use only fluid ESSO LT 71141 .

4 - 1 - PRIOR CONDITIONS

Check absence of faults using the diagnostic equipment .

Place the vehicle on a four-post lift .

Gear lever in position P (Without handbrake) .

Connect the diagnostic equipment .

Select the parameter measurement function .


Remove the filler plug (2) .

IMPERATIVE : ADD 0,5 LITRE(S) OF OIL USING THE EQUIPMENT [22] .

WARNING : do not remove the bolt (3) .

Engine running : Warm the gearbox oil to a temperature between 58° C and 68 ° C .


Engine running : Remove the oil level plug (4) (6 sides of 19 mm) .

The oil runs in a trickle then drips, the level is correct .

IMPERATIVE : updating the oil wear counter .

The oil drips or does not flow at all :

stop the engine
allow it to cool
add 0,5 litre(s) of oil
start the operation again
always renew : the seal
tighten the bolt (4) to 2,4 da.Nm
IMPERATIVE : it is essential to add 0,5 litre(s) of oil before carrying out the
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