深入華創車電，開發一台車不簡單呀，不是鍵盤打打

davish

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davish

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看了你引用的網頁，你講的5S/6S管理看來是對工廠製造這部分的管理，跟研發無關
「研發」跟「製造」都不會分，真不知道是誰講鬼話

如果有人不知道討論主題的話，那我告訴你現在討論主題是「研發」這部分，請不要拿張飛比岳飛。

flyone__150 wrote:
很多幫忙粉飾太平的那些粉們可能都不知道製造/研發業很推崇5S/6S這項管理政策....
還在那邊說什麼"研發實驗室不是做樣子的地方，展示間才是"這種鬼話。

你們點出的不是問題，這就是很多人反駁你們的地方，不要看到跟自己意見不同就說是護衛隊

TrashGen wrote:
問題都點出來了,還可以拼命找藉口,找更爛的例子凸顯自己是正常

我去過一個教授研究室，他的桌面也很亂，不過他研究做得的不錯，也有些教授很整潔但沒做太多研究。
就講過了，對研發這部分講，亂不亂不是重點，有些人就是沒辦法理解

nycity10001 wrote:
看那桌面簡陋又亂的難怪搞不出像樣的東西～！！！
難怪問題一堆

TrashGen

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TrashGen

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拿一個教授的桌面跟集團的研發部門對比,這樣比對嗎

一個人和一個團隊,可以套用同樣的運作模式嗎?
簡單的說,要比就比好的,別老是拿爛的來比,還自以為正常

davish wrote:
看了你引用的網頁，你...(恕刪)

sangelay

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sangelay

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davish wrote:
看了你引用的網頁，你...(恕刪)

有沒有用數據會說話，
為什麼一堆企業改用5S或者是SOP流程不是沒有道理的。

你要說桌面亂也是可以做好設計，但是你可以拿出數據來打其他企業的臉嗎??
(證明不用SOP也可以提升效率)

PS:
5S或SOP不是只用在製造，研發設計也是會用到的。
你用來設計東西的工具丟在雜物堆裡面會比較容易有靈感嗎??

新好男人普京

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新好男人普京

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洨車

Leon19680819

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Leon19680819

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davish wrote:
我去過一個教授研究室，他的桌面也很亂，不過他研究做得的不錯，也有些教授很整潔但沒做太多研究。
就講過了，對研發這部分講，亂不亂不是重點，有些人就是沒辦法理解...(恕刪)

那些人不是無法理解, 是為了反而反, 是專職打手, 只有立場, 沒有是非 ! 贊同你說的, 對產品有熱情有創意才是重點...

在進行產品開發中的實驗室/研究室, 不可能太整齊, 但每天下班時是會稍微整理一下的...

sangelay

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sangelay

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Leon19680819 wrote:
那些人不是無法理解,...(恕刪)

在進行產品開發中的實驗室/研究室, 不可能太整齊, 但每天下班時是會稍微整理一下的...
你自己也看出問題，圖片上的線路產品隨意擺放不是稍微整理一下就可以解決的

其實從頭到尾是企業管理的問題
沒什麼為反而反，
只是點出公司的執行面(紀律)

請拿出證據說話，
華創到底有多少產品用在URX上面?

l6632154j

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l6632154j

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could5566 wrote:
韓國廠商有賣韓國民眾2...(恕刪)

不但沒有...而且韓國廠商賣的比進口品牌便宜

以下引用我在另一棟樓
https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=444&t=5897570&p=32
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引用過的
發大財大上次在另一樓提供的資料(一字未改)
https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=444&t=5912544&p=6
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"自己年紀小沒經歷過不代表沒發生過
找不到代表你不夠努力不代表沒有

這是韓國人自己的BLOG 出處 (http://tkang.blogspot.com/2007/01/why-is-hyundai-more-expensive-in-korea.html)

Tuesday, January 23, 2007
Why is Hyundai more expensive in Korea?

왜 현대차는 한국서 더 비쌀까?
Why is Hyundai more expensive in Korea?

There have been news articles the same cars manufactured by Hyundai are so much cheaper in other countries (U.S., Canada, Japan, Europe, etc.) than in Korea, the birthplace of those cars.

This is simply unacceptable and very much a mystery to many people. Selling Hyundai cars in U.S. requires shipping, paying some tariffs, and a lot of extra paperworks. It's more time and money and energy consuming.

Then is Hyundai more expensive in Korea? (or Why is Hyundai so cheap in other countries?)

Let's approach this question from a different perspective.
We can ask "Why are imported cars SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE in Korea?"

The answer, as you may all have guessed, is the Korea's not-so-open market.
Simply put, an open market is free of restrictions and there is no friction in transaction.

However, there are so many frictions and restrictions in Korean automobile market.

1. Obvious, "everybody-can-see-it", restrictions such as import tax (tariff)

2. Not-so-obvious "not-easily-seen" restrcitions : You are treated as a cancer to Korean society/economy because you own and drive an imported vehicle, and Korean tax man goes after you the year you register an imported vehicle under your name. Doesn't matter if it's a shitbox from Ford. If it's from abroad, there goest the Korean taxman. (I don't know if this is still true.)

3. Others : Import Dealers often say the reason their prices are so high is because Korean market is so small and there is no chance they can achieve economies of scale. It's somewhat true, but I think it's just a BS. You just ship the car from its origin, mark up, and sell it.

Because of these reasons (and there are probably many other factors, too.), imported cars are very expensive in Korea and guess what it does to Hyundai. They become relatively more competitive in terms of price. They don't have to do anything. Those advantages are just given to them as if they were gifts from the God.

Hyundai is a corporation and a corporation exists for making most profits. And guess what. They do, too. So what do they do? They bump their prices up and up and up until they can sustain their pricing advantages. This is bloody obvious.

But, what would happen if they bumped their prices up in U.S. just like they would do in Korea? Then, they'll probably go out of business. Why? because imported cars (okay, Ford and GM are not "imported" cars in U.S.... anyways.) are so much cheaper there. In other words, Hyundai does not have that gift of automatic price advantages. And what that means is that, in the U.S. auto market, Hyundai is much less competitive.

Then what would have to be done if we want to see the Hyundai's price in Korea is as low as that in other countries?

Open the damn market!

Then, imported cars in Korea will have to be cheaper than they are now. Then what will Hyundai have to do?

1. Work on details, improve their products, close the quality gap between their products and imported vehicles like Toyota and BMW.
OR
2. Lower their price!!!!!!! What else can they do?

What if the market simply won't be opened up?

Let's give an example.

Currently,
- In Korea, a BMW is 50% more expensive than a Hyundai.
- In U.S., a BMW is 20% more expensive than a Hyundai.

Then, In Korea, Hyundai will increase their prices until people in Korea say "BMW is 20% more expensive than a Hyundai in Korea." (By the way, this is what is happening right now in Korea.)

In the end, the percentage difference between a Hyundai and a BMW will be the same in U.S. and Korea. But, people in Korea pay more money for the very same product. Why? All because of the closed market.

This is why closed market is no good. In the end, sellers/manufacturers like Hyundai and BMW can sell the same stuff for more and make more profits, but buyers/consumers take all the hits.

So, Don't blame Hyundai for selling their stuff very cheaply in U.S. Don't blame Hyundai for giving 10-year warranty to the buyers in other countries. don't blame Hyundai building theirs cars to be sold in Korea like junks. (Okay, this is just a rumour, but many people believe so and it may be true...)

What they do as they do is very natural. They want to make profits and squeeze the market until there is no juices left. It is their mission. "Make as much profits as possible!"

If you want to blame anybody, blame that government and beauracrates who created this market full of frictions.
Posted by Taeho Kang at 3:58 AM"

現代有沒有同款車韓國國內賣得比國外貴....有
但是.....現代車在韓國還是賣得比進口車便宜
所以....這到底是因為愛國的向心力而全力買現代，還是因為同樣的錢買現代CP值比較高而買
我還是堅持認為是有討論空間的(日系車打入美國市場(省油小車VS油老虎)，和美日歐陸車廠打入英國市場(可靠的品質VS不良的組裝品質)的經驗都說明......面對有限的預算，愛國心真的有很大的機會比不上CP值)
(另外也別忘了現代是踩在幾家韓國車廠的屍體上爬到現在的規模的)