fredcoc wrote:
其實有關F-35最新...(恕刪)
哇。。。一架不到一億美金的F35。。
去哪買？
屁無在作夢嗎？
個人積分：18668分
文章編號：78708340
個人積分：430分
文章編號：78708633
個人積分：5951分
文章編號：78708758
個人積分：21761分
文章編號：78708845
摩洛哥的單子 MOROCCO – F-16 BLOCK 72 NEW PURCHASE
台灣 66架 / $8 billion ~ 1.2121 億/架
犘洛哥 25架 / $3.787 billion ~ 1.5148 億/架
犘洛哥真盤？
怎麼還在吵這個問題？把買戰機當買＂動森＂？想置換概念麻煩也有點腦袋好嗎？
個人積分：26485分
文章編號：78709168
個人積分：10027分
文章編號：78709255
個人積分：8096分
文章編號：78709671
個人積分：22263分
文章編號：78710496
個人積分：22263分
文章編號：78710572
fredcoc wrote:
其實有關F-35最新(恕刪)
還在鬼扯？沒看過DSCA？？人家一直在告訴你空機你還在鬼扯。
你要不要拿日本整個包裹軍購出來講？
你們這些五毛的臉皮都經過特殊煉製的嗎
請問一下你對你爸媽也是這麼厚臉皮的說謊嗎？
你爸媽知道你幹五毛這種整天說謊的工作嗎？
看看你們最愛的日本，105架F-35 230億美金欸，五毛。你怎麼不拿這個包裹軍購價格出來比？？
再問一次，愛說謊的五毛，你怎麼會拿DSCA包裹價格出來比洛馬價格？？？
愛說謊的五毛，台灣買的那些那些零件和服務是另外的合約哦，不懂沒關係 你說一下 我貼給你。
The U.S. State Department has approved a contract for the sale of 105 Lockheed Martin F-35 fifth generation fighter jets to Japan, under a contract estimated at over $23 billion in value. The contract will reportedly include 63 F-35A and 42 F-35B fighters and 110 Pratt and Whitney F135 engines - the most powerful engine used by any fighter jet in the world. Also included are related maintenance equipment and munitions, as well as technical support and training, with the contract expected to take 25 years to implement. An official statement by the State Department regarding the sale stressed that “it is vital to U.S. national interest to assist Japan in developing and maintaining a strong and effective self-defense capability.” Japan already fields an F-35A squadron and has several more previously purchased fighters on order. The fighters are assembled by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in Japan itself - one of the only three countries which does assembly work other than the U.S. and Italy.
Japanese F-4EJ and F-35A Fighters in Formation
Japanese F-4EJ and F-35A Fighters in Formation
Japan notably intends to use the F-35B for deployments from its two Izumo Class carriers, each of which can accommodate around 12 of the aircraft. The B variant is less capable in combat, with a much shorter range and inferior manoeuvrability, but is prized for its ability to perform short takeoffs and vertical landings optimising it for small carriers and makeshift runways. This could potentially allow the fighter to be deployed from island outposts - possibly the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands disputed with China or the South Korean held Dokdo island to which Japan lays a claim. With airbases across Japan well within range of a wide array of Chinese and North Korean precision guided missiles, a fighter capable of operating without such bases can be considered a highly prized asset. Japan’s Izumo Class carriers were notably designed from the outset with the F-35B in mind, and the country is reportedly considering plans for heavier and more capable carriers in future which may deploy more capable F-35C fighters.
F-35 (top) and F-22 Fifth Generation Fighters
F-35 (top) and F-22 Fifth Generation Fighters
The sale of F-35s to Japan is the second largest arms export contract in U.S. history, after an F-15SA fighter contract with Saudi Arabia. Japan was notably initially hesitant regarding an F-35 purchases and did not initially appear willing to joint the F-35 program, with the acquisition out of line with its previous purchases and the historical orientation of its fleet. Japan previously fielded an air force heavily oriented towards high end air to air combat, and relied on heavyweight twin engine designs such as the third generation F-4EJ Phantom and fourth generation F-15J Eagle which were based on the most capable American air superiority platforms of their respective times. With the F-35 being a successor to the F-16, a much lighter single engine design, and with the fighter primarily oriented towards an air to ground role rather than air to air combat and designed to be produced in larger numbers at a low cost, its acquisition on a large scale marks a major shift in the orientation of Japan’s armed forces.
Japan strongly favoured acquiring the F-22 Raptor instead of the F-35, a heavyweight twin engine air superiority fighter and direct successor to the F-4 and F-15, but was denied permission to purchase the more elite jets. The F-35 is notably much less capable in air to air combat, with half the missile payload and a much lower speed, climb rate and altitude ceiling and a shorter range, meaning it is less than ideal when Japan faces a growing challenge to its control of the skies from Chinese and Russian next generation fighter programs such as the J-20 and Su-57. The F-35 is notably very far from fully combat capable at present, particularly for high end air to air operations, although issues are expected to have been fixed close to the end of the decade.
兩岸和平：接受集中營、特色管理、坦克輾人民。
個人積分：2468分
文章編號：78711994
你們要大談甚麼國內價, DSCA云云, 又如何?
現在我就是說, 你們用外銷價買的三代半機, 比人家內銷的四代機還要貴, 所以就是說呆灣人是寃大頭, 就是這麼簡單而已.
對呀, 別國買老美的F16V, 也一樣是寃大頭. 就因為自己做不出, 所以才要用比老美內銷四代機還要貴的價錢去買人家的三代半機. 簡單講, 就是你們別無選擇, 明知是奸商, 還是要把白花花的錢子雙手奉上.
另一方面, 世界已漸漸向無人機方向發展, 到老美幾年後向你們出貨, 我們中國和老美都已經不再打有人機空戰了. 到時, 你們的對手已不再是四代機, 而是無人機, 甚至五代機了.
而且, 又講第N次, 你們的軍力, 只是用來消耗解放軍的第一線軍力, 好等老美來檢便宜而已. 老美也不會賣超過這種程度的東西給你們, 否則就不能維持"台海平衡" (當然, 箇中也有懼怕你們把機密數據交給我們的情況).
所以, 我一直都說, 要做別人的棋子, 就老老實實去做棋子, 別想太多了.
