遠見雜誌:還給「普篩」一個公道

現在也慢慢走向普篩一途了,沒事 沒事的....我們只是慢了一年
滾動式檢討嘛....
herblee wrote:
搞不清方向了 ? "...(恕刪)

所以潛伏期2~14天內都不會感染別人病發後5天感染力下降,文章有說5天後就不會傳染?我目前看到也只有提小於8天吧,都講得很保守。而且文章中輕跟重症的傳染時間不同都被你吃了?

病發隔離5天就不會傳染......台灣今天會傳成這樣?患者被感染的都沒自覺才是現在最大的共識吧cdc的10天隔離都有paper吐槽對重症跟某些患者太短。

18天那個case,別人引用的時候是infectious virus,可沒說他沒有傳染力。
marinese
那位 herblee 就是文組白臉型的1450
maya95
加油添醋, 給他一根雞毛, 他可以變出一支雞毛撢子
herblee wrote:
這個病毒能抓交替的時間只有5.8 天 , 6天內沒抓交替 , 就進不了人體細胞了

事情沒那麼簡單吧?哪有那麼標準的時間線。總有極端值和特殊情況。
去看16樓的文獻
發病13天內都還可能養得出病毒
CT35以上也有部分可以養得出病毒

herlee 的5天論實在是自相矛盾
marinese
他是故意的 拉CDC文章 幫自己烘托可信度 , 自行解釋病毒5天論 好帶風向免普篩免熱區快篩
marinese wrote:
問你 那一篇 WHO或是其他國家醫學定論 有傳染力僅止于5天這樣的定論~? 就開始扣帽人心浮動


報告多到爆
COVID-19 most contagious in first 5 days of illness, study finds
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/11/covid-19-most-contagious-first-5-days-illness-study-finds
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/covid-19-carriers-most-infectious-within-5-days-after-symptoms-set-in-study/article33141169.ece
Covid-19 carriers most infectious within 5 days after symptoms set in: Study
Covid-19 positive people are more likely to infect others with their infection within the first five days of developing coronavirus symptoms.
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/coronavirus-incubation-period-is-about-5-days-study-estimates
Coronavirus Incubation Period is About 5 Days, Study Estimates
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-0504
The Incubation Period of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) From Publicly Reported Confirmed Cases: Estimation and Application
The median incubation period was estimated to be 5.1 days (95% CI, 4.5 to 5.8 days)
病毒養得出來養不出來?才是重點 , 不是抓到核酸
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1876034121000344
The estimations of the COVID-19 incubation period: A scoping reviews of the literature
This research adds to the evidence that COVID-19 is similar to SARS in having a median incubation period of around five days.

對病毒都不了解 就下指導棋 ? 要普篩廣篩做白工浪費醫療資源?
要買無效的中國疫苗? 不能向德國原廠買 ? 要滿足中國商業壟斷代理?無法取得台灣藥證??
herblee wrote:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/11/covid-19-most-contagious-first-5-days-illness-study-finds


我就挑你講的一篇...所以我說所有報告都要保守看待.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/11/covid-19-most-contagious-first-5-days-illness-study-finds

Infectious for about 9 days
(中略)
While the authors said that they can't recommend an optimal duration for quarantine because their study involved only confirmed cases rather than possible exposures, the results appear to indicate that people with COVID-19 can infect others for about 9 days. Most countries currently recommend that COVID-19 patients quarantine for 10 days.
(中略)
In patients with non-severe symptoms, their period of infectiousness could instead be counted as 10 days from symptom onset.

編輯,第二篇
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/covid-19-carriers-most-infectious-within-5-days-after-symptoms-set-in-study/article33141169.ece

The study revealed that people have the highest viral load in the early phase of the infection. The virus is capable of replicating itself up to nine days after the symptoms begin.

再編輯,第三篇的原始paper
The Incubation Period of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) From Publicly Reported Confirmed Cases: Estimation and Application

The median incubation period was estimated to be 5.1 days (95% CI, 4.5 to 5.8 days), and 97.5% of those who develop symptoms will do so within 11.5 days (CI, 8.2 to 15.6 days) of infection. These estimates imply that, under conservative assumptions, 101 out of every 10 000 cases (99th percentile, 482) will develop symptoms after 14 days of active monitoring or quarantine.
中位數...隔離天數按照中位數這是找死吧

恩....你真的有看完全文嗎
marinese
herblee 這個白臉型1450 就是一直拉英文文獻 然後再關鍵處自行圓謊 [XD]
herblee wrote:
報告多到爆 COVID(恕刪)


是喔!

herblee wrote:

事實是 , 自我隔離5天後 , 病毒的毒力就會下降到無法感染別人

不必溯源 , 以後再做 , 自我隔離5天後 , 那個"源"會自動無毒


哪邊有寫 您對照出來給大家看麻?

若真的找不倒 我會去刑事局網站 檢舉看看
herblee 你這是很明確誤導疫情傳遞的謠言喔
普篩對英國病毒是沒用的,花點腦子想1想吧!
jobba wrote:
普篩對英國病毒是沒用(恕刪)

有腦你就不會一直切換帳號一直洗~ 民怨已深 再洗更加反彈而已~
herblee wrote:
報告多到爆 
COVID-19 most contagious in first 5 days of illness, study finds 

前五天感染力最高,跟五天以後沒感染力是天差地遠!
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