killy_chu wrote:
NSA局長事發後至國...(恕刪)
ait派來的吧
很努力替美國抹粉
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認真過日子 wrote:
問題是史諾登所言的沒有證據顯示是真的
連香港的中文大學不也說根本沒有被侵入這一回事
現在他被美國列為中共間諜
如此一來就不是網路攻擊的問題而己
http://big5.china.com/gate/big5/qingshanlaozu.blog.china.com/201306/11671898.html
斯諾登引爆網路9.11重創美“帝國大廈”很解氣
從斯諾登的披露看，美帝這次玩得很大。一是通過網路監聽公民通訊。據6月10日斯諾登在藏身的香港酒店接受媒體採訪時披露，美國的棱鏡計劃，證實就是實時跟蹤美國境外網民的上網資訊，調閱美國數百萬用戶的通話記錄，大規模監視民眾通話。二是使用“駭客”手段侵入通過電腦網路。斯諾登說，美國2009年開始潛入中國內地和香港兩地政府官員、企業以及學生的電腦系統進行監控。就他所知，美國在全球進行了6.1萬次的滲透行動，目標包括數百個中港兩地的個人以及機構，其中包括香港中文大學。三是利用美國掌握根伺服器的優勢地位。據斯諾登披露，美國國安部門入侵的是系統網路的主幹部分，因此可以進入上千台電腦內部系統，而不需要入侵一個個單獨的電腦系統。現在，全球有13個網路根伺服器，其中有9個在美國。棱鏡計劃表明，美國正利用這一優勢實現其邪惡目的。四是政府參與。美國國家安全局和聯邦調查局參與了棱鏡計劃。美國于1997年成立了“定制入口組織”，隱藏在NSA位於馬利蘭州米德堡的總部內。據NSA前官員的話稱，TAO的任務非常簡單：偷偷潛入國外目標的電腦及電信系統，破解密碼，解除保護目標電腦的電腦安全系統，盜走存儲在電腦硬盤上的數據，然後複製所有的資訊及數據後，通過電子郵件及短信發送系統進行傳輸，達到收集情報資料的目的。有消息稱，現在TAO是NSA資訊情報理事會最大、最重要的組成部分，有超過1000名軍隊及民間的電腦駭客、情報分析家、目標定位專家、電腦硬體及軟體設計師、電氣工程師等，駭客們每週7日、每日24小時輪班。五是多家網路公司捲入。包括微軟、雅虎、谷歌、臉譜、PALTALK、美國線上、SKYPE、YOUTUBE、蘋果等九家公司參與了同美國政府的合作。由此可以斷定，這是有預謀、有計劃、有組織的大規模、經常性網路攻擊行徑。
http://forum.hkej.com/node/102412
斯諾登是叛國者還是真英雄？
美國主流媒體也不見得支持斯諾登， Seattle Times 6月11日刊出文章 The Solitary leaker, a betrayer of trust，力數斯諾登多宗罪，包括自我中心、漠視家庭、鄰里、宗教、國家及世界權威架構，只希望表現自我，甚至不惜威脅國家；這些言論，對香港人來說應該不陌生吧！還有，文章力陳斯諾登背棄誠信、出賣忠誠，包括出賣他的朋友、僱主，出賣美國憲法，也出賣了一個開放政府的根基；文章說，威脅國家的不單是「大阿哥」(《1984》書中監視人民無所不在的獨裁政府 )，還有散播不信任和犬儒 ( cynicism ) 情緒的負能量！驟眼讀來，還以為是《人民日報》的評論；有趣的是，此文在幾家美國媒體或網站都有刊出，題目略作修改，但「罵據」如一，結論很清楚：斯諾登是叛國者。
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但是，Ellsberg 在《衛報》的訪問中卻堅決挺斯諾登，這位水門案主角說：「保密當然有其合法原因，尤其通訊情報 ( 要保密 ) ，但不合法的，是政府利用保密制度隱藏違憲、特別是可能濫權的行為；總統和國會都不能損及美國憲法第四修正案的精神；斯諾登揭露的，是美國人並不知道的秘密。」（見 Slate.com 文章 Is Edward Snowden the next Daniel Ellsberg? ）
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德國要求美國解釋 稱美無法用反恐理由辯護
德國《圖片報》13日刊登一幅照片，照片把奧巴馬的競選名言“YES, WE CAN!”(是的，我們能)改成“YES, WE SCAN!”(是的，我們在監視)。文章還刊登一張“美國網路間諜地圖”，圖上顯示，美國對自己、中國、德國都進行“黃色”程度的網路監控，對印度是“橙色”，對伊朗、伊拉克等則是“紅色”。文章說，下周美國總統奧巴馬拜訪柏林，德國司法部長施納倫貝格表示，有必要和美國總統在柏林探討這一問題。施納倫貝格說，美國政府無法用反恐方面的理由來為自己的行為辯護，與國家敵人作鬥爭不能不擇手段。
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Editor's Note: Marc Young is an American journalist based in Berlin. He is covering President Barack Obama's visit to Germany for Yahoo News.
BERLIN—While NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden recently went underground in Hong Kong, he could have chosen from countless of locations in Germany, including my own home, that simply don’t exist—at least not online.
Germans take their data protection extremely seriously—making their country perhaps the worst possible place for President Barack Obama to visit this week in the aftermath of Snowden’s exposure of the National Security Agency’s massive surveillance program.
The NSA affair threatens to overshadow what was meant to be a pleasant visit for both Obama and German Chancellor Angela Merkel following the G8 summit in Northern Ireland. Obama plans to mark the 50th anniversary of John F. Kennedy’s historic “Ich bin ein Berliner” speech, while Merkel is looking for a presidential photo-op just three months before an election.
My missing home is just one example of how strongly Germans feel about protecting their online identities.
One of my Berlin neighbors forced Google to pixelate the façade of my apartment building on its popular Street View service a few years ago in the name of Teutonic privacy. Whether I liked it or not, my home was pixel bombed into oblivion.
In fact, so many people have opted to blot out their houses that web guru Jeff Jarvis said at the time Germany had “digitally desecrated” its online landscape.
“Data protection is a basic right in Germany, unlike in the USA,” Peter Schaar, the German government’s data protection commissioner, told Yahoo News. “It’s not really surprising what the NSA was doing—but the scope is astonishing.”
Keenly aware of how sensitive Germans are about their privacy, Merkel has made clear she would ask Obama directly about the NSA’s snooping during his trip to Berlin this week.
One of Merkel’s fellow conservative politicians, Markus Ferber, even accused the U.S. intelligence agency of behaving like East Germany’s infamous secret police, the Stasi, which had an unquenchable thirst for surveillance of its own oppressed citizens.
Through coercion and fear, the Stasi managed to turn communist East Germany into nation of informants, where not even friends and family could be trusted. It cataloged everything, including the scent samples of unreliable citizens, just in case they eventually needed to be hunted down by the secret police’s attack dogs.
“The excessive American need for control clearly goes too far if the privacy of internet users around the world is so deeply infringed upon,” Ferber, a member of the European Parliament, told the Reuters news agency, adding the NSA was guilty of using “American-style Stasi methods.”
Schaar called Ferber’s claim “nonsense.”
“We Germans should be particularly carefully about making such comparisons, especially since the United States has a longer democratic tradition than Germany,” Schaar said.
But Schaar did admit Germans’ troubled history with both Communist dictatorship and the Nazis had certainly helped shaped their cautious attitudes towards data protection.
Florian Resatsch, managing director of mobile media for advertizing firm Ströer, said Germans are half as likely to allow location-targeted services on their smartphones as British users.
“It feels like the Germans are more afraid to reveal where they are,” he told Yahoo News.
Not that he’s any different. The tech entrepreneur, who started a Foursquare-style mobile check-in platform called Friendticker, doesn’t have Berlin listed as his hometown on his own Facebook page.
“Nobody is forced to hand over information to Facebook,” Resatsch said. “And if I send an email to the USA, I’m aware the NSA might pick it up. It’s not paranoia, it’s a logical assumption.”
In his interview with Yahoo News, data protection commissioner Schaar expressed particular concern that the NSA had even been given access to the computer servers of U.S. Internet companies on European soil.
“There’s been an immense loss of trust in U.S. firms,” he said, explaining that millions of European customers might now think twice about using the services of Google and Facebook if they’re unable to ensure the integrity of users’ personal information.
Schaar also said Germany’s robust approach to data protection could gain currency in other countries in the wake of the NSA leak. “People should have informational self-determination,” he said.
That’s a very German sentiment, but not everyone here agrees data protection concerns are always paramount.
“Anyone with real authority for the safety of citizens in Germany in Europe knows that it’s the U.S. intelligence services that have repeatedly given us correct information,” German Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich told the Sunday edition of newspaper Die Welt. “They’ve helped us hinder several attacks and save lives.”
And a recent YouGov survey showed 40 percent of Germans were willing to accept blanket government surveillance if it protected them from terrorism.
Perhaps opening the Bavarian chapter of the Edward Snowden fan club in a pixelated building in Munich would be premature after all.
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至於德國人會不爽其來有自 一方面是過去東德的stasi夢饜~~一方面是以整個西歐來說 除英國外 最忠實的美國盟友就是德國 相當於亞洲的日本
結果那個leak出來的地圖顏色自然讓德方認為:你老美怎麼對盟友監控這麼頻繁, 當然這並不意外 因為德國領土境內就有兩個美軍總司令部 就連德國情報局BND都是戰後由CIA扶植成立雙方一向有緊密通訊 因此會成為歐洲監控密度最高地區並不意外 當然一些商業機密也是有可能
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bbc 多國要求英國解釋竊聽G20指稱
而有關英國在2009年倫敦20國集團峰會期間截聽外國政府人員通訊的報道，已引發外交糾紛。
此前有報道稱，包括土耳其、南非和俄羅斯在內的外國政府人員在2009年參加倫敦20國集團峰會期間，
曾被英國諜報機關監視電腦，竊聽電話。
土耳其外交部發表聲明說，如果有關報道屬實，那麼同盟國的此類行動是無法接受的。「英國當局應該對此做出正式和令人滿意的解釋。土耳其方面已經就此採取了必要的外交行動。」
南非政府說，雖然還沒有掌握詳情，但「我們譴責對隱私和基本人權的侵犯，尤其如果這是那些號稱民主人士的所作所為。」
南非政府也希望英國政府就此展開全面的調查。
俄羅斯官員表示, 美英兩國特工乘著峰會在倫敦舉行, 截聽與會總統梅德韋傑夫的機密通訊 , 只會進一步損害美俄本已不和諧的關係 , 令到在北愛爾蘭舉行的八國集團峰會 , 蒙受陰影 .
原來外交談判學都是騙學費用的，學會竊聽才是王道？
這以後怎麼教小朋友呢？
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