Derek2025 wrote:
哈哈哈，除了撒謊和抹...(恕刪)
因為正常人類都知道俄羅斯人就是土匪啊
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hunginn wrote:
重點在於德國的極右勢力在那邊拱退出北約
有嗎？我只有看wiki，不過印象中沒有
極右在歐洲應該是反移民，反多元化，追求基因/民族的純粹性(所以必然會反加入歐盟)
不一定會反美
相反的，可能還會覺得美國很保守(美國相對歐盟整體算是保守國家，鄉下人到現在還是怕上帝)，跟他們是同類
例如有些圖在美國需要打碼，歐洲就不用
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany
AfD is pro-NATO, pro-United States, and pro-Israel
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Derek2025 wrote:
還是先請你進修一下中文吧！請問我那裡說要反抗烏克蘭呢?
用你的邏輯，今天一大班塔綠班來這裡說廢話打文宣洗版，最近很缺錢嗎?
而且，俄羅斯無法阻止其他前成員國投靠北約，不就更加證明俄羅斯只是在自保，和被北約兵迫家門口嗎?
你自己寫你們自己不同意的東西出來，你寫之前有好好思考過嗎?
是你缺錢還是別人缺錢?
你自己寫你的東西出來,你寫之前有好好思考過嗎?
若Putin不是反抗烏克蘭,那就是Putin侵略烏克蘭,你對於侵略他國佔領他國領土的俄羅斯這麼支持?俄烏兩國的領土都在蘇聯解體經過雙方同意認可劃定,Putin上台後就可以片面毀約憑藉自己的武力侵略烏國攻佔領土?這種侵略行為叫自保?你哪天被搶匪搶劫,搶匪說他自己是為了自保防止你去攻擊他,所以搶匪他要先對你下手搶劫,這你也會同意?
你寫之前到底有好好思考過你在寫甚麼嗎?
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好圖狼 wrote:
當然會反美呀。炸天然氣管還有在背後操作這場戰爭把歐洲搞成這樣
真以為大家是白痴看不出來
還真被歐洲人看出來了，故意留一條太可疑了
Gazprom既然說美國賣天然氣會得利，那就狂賣天然氣給歐洲不就讓美國失利了
剛好美國是烏克蘭武裝部隊最大的資助國，故意停運天然氣，讓美國得利，所以這是什麼操作？
可惜怎麼看都是在操弄歐洲民意，可惜歐洲人沒你這麼傻
Gazprom makes Nord Stream 2 supply gesture even as Italy and Moldova suffer new supply woes
Gazprom, which has a monopoly over Russian gas exports, said it has started pumping out gas from an undamaged string of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline to reduce the pressure and allow a safety inspection.
The Russian gas giant has also denied any responsibility for halting gas supplies to Italy via Ukraine, Slovakia and Austria, and for suppressing gas deliveries to Ukraine’s neighbour Moldova at the weekend.
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economic wrote:
那大前提的北約不東擴威脅你怎不說呢
當初有談設定好的緩衝
那彼此安全有相對性的保障
俄羅斯的宣傳已經沒人信了
最早一開始是烏克蘭打算跟歐盟建立經貿關係
然後俄羅斯就發飆，展開貿易戰
之後的革命跟佔領克里米亞/頓巴斯，才讓烏克蘭人強烈要求加入北約(這時候當然已經來不及了)
確實美國一直都想引誘烏克蘭加北約，不過俄羅斯是催化劑/導火線
普丁真正在想什麼我不知道，大概就是怕烏克蘭最後入歐盟，對他的權力會有影響
又為什麼是烏克蘭？因為烏克蘭剛好講俄語，他怕某些思想會傳入俄羅斯
烏克蘭最後不管怎樣都要被統一，烏克蘭的精英們也知道，如果不想成為白俄羅斯(被吸收)，最終會有一戰
European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement
On 29 July 2013, Russia banned the import of chocolate products made by the Ukrainian company Roshen and asked Belarus and Kazakhstan to follow suit. A Russian sanitary official stated that the company had not met quality and safety standards, but critics alleged that the ban was meant as a warning against Ukraine associating more closely with the EU.
On 14 August 2013, Federal Customs Service of Russia officials began conducting more stringent inspections of cargo arriving from Ukraine than would normally be carried out.
Putin sees no threat from NATO expansion, warns against military build-up
LONDON, May 16 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Monday that there was no threat to Russia if Sweden and Finland joined NATO but cautioned that Moscow would respond if the U.S.-led alliance bolstered military infrastructure in the new Nordic members.
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Vladimir Putin: the NPR interview
So what I am trying to say is that while Russia acknowledges the role of NATO in the world of today, Russia is prepared to expand its cooperation with this organization. And if we change the quality of the relationship, if we change the format of the relationship between Russia and NATO, then I think NATO enlargement will cease to be an issue -- will no longer be a relevant issue. I guess that would be my comment.
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What Putin Fears Most
Abstract:
Russian president Vladimir Putin wants you to believe that NATO is responsible for his February 24 invasion of Ukraine—that rounds of NATO enlargement made Russia insecure, forcing Putin to lash out. This argument has two key flaws. First, NATO has been a variable and not a constant source of tension between Russia and the West. Moscow has in the past acknowledged Ukraine's right to join NATO; the Kremlin's complaints about the alliance spike in a clear pattern after democratic breakthroughs in the post-Soviet space. This highlights a second flaw: Since Putin fears democracy and the threat that it poses to his regime, and not expanded NATO membership, taking the latter off the table will not quell his insecurity. His declared goal of the invasion, the "denazification" of Ukraine, is a code for his real aim: antidemocratic regime change.
