義大利專家:去年11、12月就有奇怪、嚴重肺炎

義大利Mario Negri藥理研究所主任
接受美國媒體採訪

Giuseppe Remuzzi說他現在聽到來自醫師的消息。他們記得見過這種奇怪的肺炎,非常嚴重,特別是在老年人中,在(去年)12月甚至11月時,他說。 這意味著在我們知道中國的疫情暴發之前,病毒至少就已經在意大利的倫巴第北部地區傳播起來了。

他還表示:你根本不可能去與你並不知道存在的東西搏鬥。



'Every Single Individual Must Stay Home': Italy's Coronavirus Surge Strains Hospitals

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A patient in a biocontainment unit is carried on a stretcher from an ambulance at the Columbus Covid 2 Hospital in Rome, on Tuesday. Italy's health system is straining to keep up with quickly rising coronavirus cases.

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Daniela De Rosa, a 43-year-old veterinarian in Italy's southwest Campania region, made a video message over the weekend as she was hospitalized with COVID-19. Her video plea has gathered much attention in Italy, which has just surpassed China in the number of reported deaths from the new coronavirus.

"I've been in isolation in a hospital room for so many days I've lost count," she says. "I have no contact with anyone other than doctors twice a day."

"Very few people understand what's happening. I want people to see I'm suffering," De Rosa continues.

"Every single individual must stay home and not endanger the lives of others," she insists.

Since the video was shared on Facebook last Sunday, it has racked up more than 11 million views.



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As of Thursday afternoon, Italy has registered 41,035 diagnoses of the coronavirus and 3,405 deaths. The death toll is now higher than China's known COVID-19 deaths of over 3,200. Earlier this month, Italy became the first Western country to launch a nationwide lockdown to contain the outbreak, but despite strict measures, the number of cases continues to rise.

Italy has a universal health care system. But now, its hospitals and medical staff are overwhelmed, prompting anguished debate.

The Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care has issued guidelines for what it calls a "catastrophe medicine"-like scenario. The college put it starkly: Given the serious shortage of health resources, patients with the "best chance of success and hope of life" should have access to intensive care, the organization says.

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"If you have an 99-year-old male or a female patient, that's a patient with a lot of diseases. And you have [a] young kid that need[s] to be intubated and you only have one ventilator, I mean, you're not going to ... toss the coin," says Carlo Vitelli, a surgeon and oncologist in Rome.



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He's speaking just a few hours after operating on a perforated appendix of a young man who had been in contact with a person from northern Italy, where the virus has hit the hardest in the country. It was "an emergency operation done on somebody who was in quarantine," Dr. Vitelli says, "don't know if he's going to develop. I don't think so. But, you never know."

Italy is treating the coronavirus pandemic like a wartime emergency. Health officials are scrambling to set up more beds. In Milan, the old fairgrounds is being turned into an emergency COVID-19 hospital with 500 new beds; across the country, hospitals are setting up inflatable tents outdoors for triage.

Other countries can learn important lessons from Italy, says Dr. Giuseppe Remuzzi, co-author of a recent paper in The Lancet about the country's dire situation. The takeaways include how to swiftly convert a general hospital into a coronavirus care unit with specially trained doctors and nurses.

"We had dermatologists, eye doctors, pathologists, learning how to assist a person with a ventilator," Remuzzi says.

Some question why Italy was caught off guard when the virus outbreak was revealed on Feb. 21.

Remuzzi says he is now hearing information about it from general practitioners. "They remember having seen very strange pneumonia, very severe, particularly in old people in December and even November," he says. "This means that the virus was circulating, at least in [the northern region of] Lombardy and before we were aware of this outbreak occurring in China."

He says it was impossible to combat something you didn't know existed.
歐~要甩鍋義大利,結論要改義大利肺炎了嗎?
nomo333 wrote:
義大利Mario Negri...(恕刪)


這則新聞的用意是要告訴全世界,義大利才是發源地嗎?
武漢只是最先發現這個病毒
不代表病毒來源是武漢
義大利也是
在病毒找出來之前
大家都是當做流感
所以病毒真實來源還要更多資料來確定
nomo333 wrote:
義大利Mario N...(恕刪)


這就合理了, 如果新冠是自然演化的, 沒道理只有武漢,才是觸發點。 中國到處有吃奇珍異甲的, 其他地方也一定要有觸發點。 如果只有武漢單1個觸發點,那就代表是武漢P4實驗室出來的。 中共沒交代清楚的事, 由世界各國來強迫他和盤托出,世界要把中共當罪犯來處理。
colinucc wrote:
這則新聞的用意是要告(恕刪)


所以美軍同時在中歐都放毒了麼!?
全世界很多人都在研究去年9~11月美國流感怎麼突變為新冠肺炎!
ANDYLIU66Y wrote:
這就合理了, 如果新 中國到處有吃奇珍異甲的, 其他地方也一定要有觸發點。 如果只有武漢單1個觸發點,那就代表是武漢P4實驗室出來的。(恕刪)


這邏輯我完全沒有明白,請問有智商較低的網友來解釋一下麼
nomo333 wrote:
他還表示:你根本不可能去與你並不知道存在的東西搏鬥。

真.的.沒.其.他.人,
像我一樣,
懷.疑.到.外.星.人?!
目前確定的事實

中國武漢肺炎大爆發後,全世界開始大爆發

就有些腦殘在猜啥美國去年早就有武漢肺炎,那全世界爆發肺炎的時間點不就矛盾了

當然也有人猜美國流感傳到武漢,被中國武漢人改造成肺炎,然後造成世界大爆發,這還說得過去

反正不論真相如何,跟中國武漢脫不了關係
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