http://www.nissan.co.jp/MS/TOKYO2007/E/index.html
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再來是~~他的起點和終點不一樣耶.....
這個上次BestMotoring測試NSX-R的時候也發生過
在紐堡成績
7:56.73* 155.569 km/h -- Honda NSX-R (*Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", lap not complete)
重點是~~這兩個測試影片都是在同一位置開始(GT4的開始位置)
也在同一位置結束......剛要轉上起跑點的那個彎~~就結束計時
從那個位置到起點，根據我跑GT4的預估，我想GT-R的成績還要再加上至少三秒~~變成7:41.xx，
而且從影片上還打"concept car"來看，這還不是媒體拿到的市售車，至少輪胎就不知道是不是量產車用的了
所以~~還是等其他雜誌出了紐堡林測試報告才知道GT-R到底跑多快嚕~~
不過，不管最後是多少，GT-R一定是八分內，恭喜了^ ^
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7.38* -- 161.628 km/h -- Nissan GT-R, *company test driver Suzuki,
7.39* -- 161.575 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, 7.39 --- 161.575 km/h -- TechArt
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h ?Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1655 kg (AutoBild sportscars 01/07) *mfr., company test driver Giorgio Sanna
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres
紅色的是GTR的假想敵~~997 TwinTurbo的數據
GTR的成績上榜啦~~不過我還是有點質疑
這是一起跑的位置
這是終點的位置
看出來了嗎??
起終點不一致唷~~
如果把影片時間往前拉到起點一致
大概要往前拉4秒左右~~
所以成績真的可以說是7:38:54嗎??
應該要把這四秒加上去吧~~大概會落在7:41~7:42之間~~
也是很快了~~GT-R加油吧~~
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基本上下面的就是在講說除非在特別的賽日像是Castrol-Haugg-Cup，Nordschleife不會百分之百開放。
基於安全理由，所有車子到pit前兩百公尺就得放慢。保時捷997 Turbo也是這樣子測試，前幾個禮拜破記錄的Pagani Zonda F也是這樣做。你認為這些車廠有可悲到需要這樣子縮短時間嗎？(網友講的)
另一個問題是為什麼這麼重的車子可以跑這麼快？那CLK63 AMG Black Series更重但跑的更快，請問為什麼沒有人懷疑它的成績。
有些時候馬力跟車重不是最重要的......
我昨天才在看日經的報導，Nissan說測試當天道路有點溼，不是最理想的狀況。希望Nissan能在測一次，再度證明GT-R的實力。
雖然說車子的價值不只在於Nordschleife的成績，還需要考量到品牌價值。但這次的成果至少代表GT-R不需要改造就能跑贏許多超跑，I say it's a victory for Nissan。
Wiki
Track lengths and timing
Not all of the following laptimes are comparable. A full lap of the de:Nordschleife, bypassing the modern GP track, is 20.832 km long. Most laps are completed 200 meters shorter for safety reasons. Full uninterrupted flying laps can only be done in closed sessions and race events like Castrol-Haugg-Cup.
During the industry testing sessions in which de:Sport auto records its "Supertest", the track can not be traveled at full speed past "Tribune 13" (T13, grandstand 13) in order to allow safe access from the old exit/entrance there. Thus, Sportauto Supertests cover only about 20.6 km, which in average yields a 7 s shorter lap time compared to a full lap.
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mindlessoath @ Oct 25th 2007 9:19AM
NOTE: the haters will begin soon, but they will say some stupid stuff without doing any research, like hey the time doesnt line up right, and they dont do it correctly.
i would like to say stfu first because they dont know what they are talking about.
That is how the very vast majority of laptimes are calculated, only during a closed-session lap, usually for a sporting event, can you get the full uninterupted 20.832 km on Nordschleife. Other times drivers are restricted from going full-speed past T13 due to safety concerns of people exiting the pitlane.
magazine scan from sport auto showing the 997 turbo being timed this way.
second of all if it's 100-150 ft which is 46m max, it won't take 6-8 seconds to cover it, considering it does a standing 400m in 11.7 seconds.
2 seconds AT most considering it is already going at full chat
this is the official way of timing laps at the nurbugring to provide a safe access to the old entrance/exit there. Thus, Sportauto Supertests cover only about 20.6 km, which in average yields a 7 s shorter lap time compared to a full lap.
In the mean time, here is a scan of Germany's Sport Auto magazine, which conducts its "Super Tests" using only 20.6km as can be seen on the top right corner:
http://www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=126501&mID=339308&l=g
Furthermore, please read the following article on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times
Most people know this is how "official" Nurburgring laps are timed, I don't think I've seen any in the past 5 years that were 100% complete laps, something that basically doesn't happen outside of motorsport events where obviously the entire track has to be lapped in order to race. Pagani's new Zonda F lap was done like this as well for example, are they a pathetic company?
Annother argument most say is how does a 3800lbs car get these fast times....well how the hell does this car,
2008 Mercedes-Benz CLK 63 AMG Black Series
Length A— Width A— Height in : 183.4 A— 72.2 A— 53.8
Weight lb (kg) : 3880 (1760)
and its time at the ring is 7:36 --- 162.631 km/h
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073&bottom=790#post795
get such fast times? its heavier than a gt-r.
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不過~~如果真的是這樣，那NSX-R的成績後面有加上"lap not complete"
7:56.73* 155.569 km/h -- Honda NSX-R (*Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", lap not complete)
NSX-R Nurburgring Track Video
他的起終點都跟GT-R一樣，但是後面被加註"lap not complete"
所以我才會發表這個小問題~~
不是說車廠作弊或是啥，我只是想要找到一個比較公平的立足點來比較車輛性能
Nurburgring Nordschleife或許是大家公認的地方
如果有可能起終點不一致的話，那我們以後討論車輛數據時
是否可以把5秒以內的差距就當作同等級呢??
因為Nurburgring Nordschleife是個神奇的"公路"，而不完全算是賽道
或許真的不應該斤斤計較到0.1秒之內吧~~
