後續﹣台灣賓士的服務與態度-(已換修)S450變速箱故障

jh_guo wrote:
您的車也是 W212 E-class 嗎?

我是212 E300。
快一年了,我是第一次碰到沒電。
再觀察一下,看會不會還是存在這個問題。
如果還會,再想辦法跟上頭反應。
賓士的客服真的素質很糟 我之前問一個問題 電話轉接4次

最後跟我說再通知我 然後就沒有消息


我確定下一台車 是絕不會買賓士的
看來不少災情,

一堆車主碰到 (1) 剛過保固. (2) 開9~1X萬公里, 變速箱閥體或電腦就掛點.

看來賓士 7G 變速箱品質水準也是不令滿意.

車型至少有:

S_class
ML-class
R-class

這些都是高價車種,

能把變速箱壽命算到過保固期, 再讓車主白白花大錢, 賓士算得真精, 真有你的.
倒楣的是信任賓士品質的車主.
唉~再好也一樣

15151515151515151

絲絨黑 wrote:
看來不少災情,一堆車...(恕刪)

開始改口了是嗎?
VAGLover/AudiFanatic/QuattroHolic/A3SportbackTDI

greatsteve1201 wrote:
我是212 E300。
快一年了,我是第一次碰到沒電。
再觀察一下,看會不會還是存在這個問題。
如果還會,再想辦法跟上頭反應。


您的狀況跟我差不多...
我第一次也是快一年沒電...
第二次離第一次也是一年左右...

國外還有更慘的.. 沒幾個月遇過 4~5 次...

JeromeWu0317 wrote:
開始改口了是嗎?...(恕刪)
真是夠了 你們要酸 去開別的板酸好嗎 ?
以下是節錄自MBWorld這幾天的討論串, 網路上有關722.9的討論太多了, 我也懶得全看完(我的是722.6), 看起來722.9變速箱conductor control plate/Valve body出問題是全球性的, 最聳動的說法原因竟然是ATF 134(紅色)會腐蝕變速箱內的電子零件(solenoid valve, speed sensor, ...), 腐蝕下來的雜質造成speed sensor等誤判... 有人建議以後不要再用ATF 134(紅色)而要用134FE-ATF(藍色). 而這兩種ATF也不能混用, 必須flush完全清除舊ATF.

下文有官方文件提到要如何維修(不用換整顆變速箱, 看起來就是輕輕髒汙及換新油), 之前我曾經研究如何更換722.6的閥體, 看網路上的DIY文章似乎維修並不困難, 722.9也許也差不多. 其他文章則提到為何許多經銷商拿不到conductor control plate/valve body(前面有人提到一顆18765元)乾脆換整顆變速箱. 其他文章也提到Siemens總共出了三個版本的conductor contorl plate, 前期的不能單獨更換, 後期的才能更換...

文章最後所示, 722.9問題一般會發生在50000~60000mile(也就是80000~96000公里), 似乎也吻合多數網友出問題的里程.

PS: 本文存粹是網路搜尋文章分享, 沒有也無法求證, 看的人請自行判斷真偽.

http://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-tech-talk/426384-722-9-7-speed-transmission-corrosion-issue.html

OK guys, I just got a chance to sit down and communicate what I've learned. Hopefully I can transcribe it accurately. Please take this information as an FYI from which you may choose to take action or not.

-There are many cases of poor shift quality from 722.9 transmissions (as acknowledged in Bulletin number LI27.00-P-051451 Date: 10-03-2011).

-It comes down to particulate contamination inside the transmission which lands on valve screens on the electrical conductor plate attached to the valve body. When the screens get clogged they create speed sensor faults.

-Usually the method for fixing the speed sensor faults is to replace the electrical conductor plate or the entire valve body. However, now that there are so many failure occurrences worldwide, MB will no longer sell these sub-unit parts to independent dealers, and they are even more difficult to obtain for dealerships and are currently back-ordered for dealerships. Thus, typically the entire transmission may be replaced instead.

-Apparently there are now replacement screens available, which can be replaced, if the problem has not advanced too far (I'm not sure about that part).

MB discusses the method for fixing the problem in Bulletin LI27.20-P-051537 Date 11-18-2011:

COMPLAINT:
Vehicle jerks during gear change or has hard or slipping shifts. In some cases the torque converter lockup clutch (KuB) cannot be actuated.
CAUSE:
Torque converter lockup clutch (KuB) cannot be activated due to a clogged filter in the KuB solenoid valve. Other solenoid valve filters, e.g. K1 control solenoid valve (Y3/8y2), may also be clogged with wear debris.
REMEDY:
Removal of EHS & removal of all solenoid valves from the EHS to evaluate the contamination of the solenoid valve filters. Please observe AR27.19-P-0212A. Install repair filter A 221.227.00.00. Clean all valves with a small magnet, afterwards bathe the valves in fresh 134FE-ATF {Blue} (A 001.989.78.03.09) several times to remove debris.
AR27.55-P-0100SX: The entire transmission must be flushed with fresh oil (134FE-ATF A 001.989.78.03.09) & then filled with new oil.

The source of the metal particulates is *possibly* due to corrosion caused from the red fluid.

-Flushing out the red fluid and installing the blue fluid may stop the corrosive process and prevent an expensive failure if it is changed soon enough.

-The blue fluid is backwards compatible with most all MB auto transmissions (722.6, 722.7, 722.9)

-In Europe, MB Service Bulletins say to switch to blue ATF in ALL 7 speed transmissions. However, in the USA, EPA regulations are preventing MB from changing the fluid in older (pre 2010) 722.9 transmissions.

- Most common symptom is that the transmission intermittently won't upshift, i.e., stuck in low gear. Problem gets worse (not shifting at all) and check engine light comes on. This normally occurs around 50k to 60k miles.



Let me know what questions you guys have, I probably left some stuff out during my write-up. FYI, I am having my fluid changed to the blue fluid, and having magnets installed in my trans pan to collect metal particulates.

jh_guo wrote:
我第一次也是快一年沒電...
第二次離第一次也是一年左右...

好在我是租賃的,
三年要換一部。
這樣算起來,
我大概會"刁車"三次!
這個頻率我還能接受。

greatsteve1201 wrote:
好在我是租賃的,
三年要換一部。
這樣算起來,
我大概會"刁車"三次!
這個頻率我還能接受。...(恕刪)


greatsteve1201大
樣本數不足先別高興的太早
我是兩年顧路四次
期間還有大小毛病

我也是租購
提前付清尾款解約還要15萬違約金
三年換一部是沒錯
一換修三年也很麻煩
沒時間和賓士這樣耗
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