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樓主

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文章編號：9461818

SAAB 9-3問問

在網路上好像很少有關SAAB的車的測試，不知道這款車的優缺點，最近朋友看到我再看奧迪的車，他就問我SAAB的車如何?恩...我不知道怎麼跟他說，畢竟沒有很多相關的文章來探討這款車，不像奧迪這麼多，但說時再9-3這台車挺漂亮的，A4以外9-3這台也蠻對眼的，但我上網查後都是舊新聞，所以想上來問一下目前這台9-3的車的優缺點，跟奧迪A4比起來呢?感覺SAAB好像除了渦輪，沒有其他新的科技??抱歉我不大懂所以這麼說，所以想請教大家!謝謝

A4 風阻0.27
9-3 呢?

妥善率呢?

題外話!剛剛出校門回家,在臺中雙十路看到GTR蠻爽的!聲浪真不是蓋的!真的只有帥而已!

2008-12-17 14:29 #1

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Saab

Pachilla

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Pachilla

個人積分：4396分

文章編號：9462792

美國的 Automobile 雜誌在試開了 9-3 TURBO X 的評論....

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/editors_notebook/0807_2008_saab_turbo_x_sportcombi/index.html

When you scan the specifications on the Saab Turbo X SportCombi (despite the 9-3 badge on the back, Saab insists you call it just the Turbo X), you can't help but get excited. It's an all-wheel-drive, turbocharged station wagon with a manual transmission. You get 280 hp and nearly 300 lb-ft of torque. Plus, the Turbo X features Saab's new electronically controlled, limited-slip rear differential. On the outside, the eighteen-inch wheels are funky cool and the black paint adds to the good-looking profile. Inside, the front seats are typical Saab comfortable and the turbo boost gauge is a neat retro touch. This is all good stuff indeed.

賬面上看來 TURBO X 實在讓人興奮﹐ AWD﹐ TURBO引擎﹐手排變速﹐ 280馬力﹐外表酷眩。等等。

The problem is, the basic 9-3 is getting old and you really feel that behind the wheel of the Turbo X. Our test car was cursed with squeaks and rattles, and as is often the case with Saabs, the six-speed manual shifter was imprecise. The aging 9-3 chassis is not helped by the stiffer springs and dampers fitted to the Turbo X. The low-speed ride never really settles down and the steering always has a rubbery feel to it. The sportier exhaust sounds good when driving through a parking garage with the windows open but usually it is just too boomy inside the cabin. Sure, the traction of Saab's all-wheel-drive system is impressive but the overall driving experience of the Turbo X does not live up to the impressive specifications list, especially for close to $45,000.

問題是9-3的地盤已經老舊而且感覺的出來。我們開的這臺 TURBO X 內裝充斥各種異音。 6速手排感覺不佳﹐ 硬朗的懸吊系統搭配老舊的地盤造成低速車身彈跳問題。方向盤感覺也不順。排氣管聲音好聽但是車內共鳴問題嚴重。雖然新的 AWD 系統讓人印象深刻但是整體而言TURBO X的表現不如規格上面的數字。

Poor Saab, starved of product development resources, has to make do with a car with roots that stretch back nearly fifteen years. Yes, the Swedes have massaged this platform to within an inch of its life, but at its core, the Turbo X SportCombi feels like a car from the mid-'90s. The all-wheel-drive system is great, because it at least eradicates the torque steer that has plagued Saabs for years. But other than that, the Turbo X's dynamics are disappointing. The shifter, the steering, and the suspension damping all feel rubbery. Ride quality is only okay, and the powertrain does not make enticing sounds. On the plus side, the interior is well executed, if dated, and the wagon body is a welcome return to the hatchback versatility of Saabs of yore.

可憐的SAAB因為缺乏開發資源只好繼續的改良一個已經接近15年的歷史的車款。雖然SAAB已經盡最大努力但是 TURBO X 開起來感覺就像是一臺90年代中期的產品。 AWD 系統表現非常棒並且解決了SAAB長期以來無法克服的扭力轉向問題﹐但是其他方面看來 TURBO X 的動態表現只能用失望來形容。變速箱﹐方向盤感覺﹐懸吊系統表現都不順。行路性還OK而後動力系統發出的聲音也沒有什麼特別。內裝雖然有點老氣但是感覺其實還不錯。旅行車的設定也很有味道。

下面的內容大同小異﹐ 我就不翻譯了。

I agree with Marc: on paper, this is a great car ... a Swedish rally car in the vein of the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution and the Subaru Impreza WRX. But from behind the wheel, the Turbo X is too soggy to provide the satisfaction that's required of an all-wheel-drive, stick-shift, slick-looking wagon with a high-strung turbo - especially for more than $40K.

The manual gearbox is imprecise and rubbery and the Turbo X is geared strangely, too: Second gear feels as tall as third in most cars, so you've got to stay in first longer than usual.

In black, the Turbo X looks tough yet nicely tailored, although I'm personally not a big fan of the gray, three-spoke wheels.

I hate to be yet one more voice in the chorus of Turbo X negativity, but I can't remember the last time I was this disappointed in a car. I didn't grow up around two-stroke Saabs, or even early-'80s Saabs, but I very much wanted the Turbo X to be something that it isn't. Maybe it had something to do with a ride I got - my first! - in an '89 900 four-door a few weeks ago, or maybe I simply believed a little too much of the marketing hype. But while I thought we were finally getting a car that at least resembled the Saabs of old, I was instead presented with a soft, rubbery, warmed-over 9-3 with an indifferent (in the dry, at least) all-wheel-drive system and what must be the world's most frustrating shifter.

At least, as Rusty pointed out, it looks cool. The black paint and trim and the retro-Italian wheels - they look straight out of the 1973 Milan auto salon - all breathe new life into an aging and overly familiar shape. And there isn't a hint of torque steer to be found. At this point, however, I just find myself hoping that Saab rediscovers itself very, very soon.

Sam Smith, Associate Editor

也可以參考這個討論串﹕

http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=339&t=729578&p=1

下面是最新英國 AUTOCAR 汽車媒體對 2009 SAAB 9-3 2.0 XWD 的評論

http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Saab-9-3-2.0T-Aero-(207bhp)/236414/

We can only recommend the 9-3 XWD if you really have fallen for the Saab’s styling, as there’s little else that its rivals don’t do better. This is a likeable car and a relaxing way to cover distance; but the competition has moved on.

除非您非常喜歡SAAB的外形﹐否則其他廠牌的對手表現都比 SAAB 9-3 XWD 來的好。 SAAB 9-3 XWD 是一臺不錯﹐可以輕鬆上手的車﹐但是它的競爭對手們都已經更上一層樓了。

素八滷福斯的車價水貨車的保固賓士的零件價格法拉利的待料時間

t8f

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t8f

個人積分：468分

文章編號：9463890

查找外國汽車網站對於Saab汽車的評價
把Saab講好的、與，把Saab講壞的、評價會相差得很兩極！
很容易找到這種評價差距甚遠的網路文章

最常看到的情形：
說Saab好的，把Saab的操駕講得很好、稱讚它的駕馭感受；
說Saab差的，把Saab的操駕講得很笨拙、很過時，強調推頭嚴重
更經常的情況就是測試的車款各有不同
有一些拿2.0的在測，有一些拿aero在測，有一些甚至拿其他cc數引擎款式在測
光是馬力扭力就有好幾種數據

其實車子這種東西還是要靠自己去試駕才會準確
別以為新上市的車款開起來就會比老車強
呵呵

另外
以風阻數據來講，有些風阻數據很低的車款，可能不見得你會喜歡開它的感覺
開車還是需要一個整體的比較
確實
Audi A4和Saab 9-3是可以比較一番
(為什麼不找BMW 3系列一起比較？)

licysaab

469分

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licysaab

個人積分：469分

文章編號：9464528

可憐的SAAB因為缺乏開發資源只好繼續的改良一個已經接近15年的歷史的車款

從這句話就可以看出來作者不是很了解SAAB........

15年前是 1993, 哪款車跟他有關係啊?

Pachilla

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Pachilla

個人積分：4396分

文章編號：9464799

licysaab wrote:
可憐的SAAB因為缺...(恕刪)

我想作者大概把9-3跟9-5搞混了。

9-5 的底盤的確是來自那個時期的 Vectra。

素八滷福斯的車價水貨車的保固賓士的零件價格法拉利的待料時間

t8f

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t8f

個人積分：468分

文章編號：9464887

Pachilla wrote:
我想作者大概把9-3...(恕刪)

那不就是外行人寫的文章了?
失去參考價值了..

我倒是建議樓主喜歡Audi A4的話
還是看Audi就好了吧
差不多的車款
何不選一個自己一開始就看上的廠牌呢？

小芳我就是愛

7分

樓主

小芳我就是愛

個人積分：7分

文章編號：9466004

我阿~!還是看a4,因為朋友她問我saab的問題!然後去看了saab的車後,也覺得saab的車蠻漂亮的!還有就是saab的業務真的是比我去過的車商親切太多了,所以本身也想了解saab看看,上面有說到怎麼不跟bmw 3系列比較,前驅跟後驅因該不好比較吧!我是這麼認為.而且bmw我對他的印象一直沒有很好,雖然他的車不錯,但真的要拜拜很久才可以牽的安心!

白鳥胖子

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白鳥胖子

個人積分：524分

文章編號：9466674

我認識有買saab的,大多是一開始就決定要買saab,如果是同級車比來比去的,大多不會買saab...

說穿了,saab車主是對這個牌子有很深的認同感,認同他的造車理念,認同代理商的經營模式,已經不是以CP值,多豪華的配備做考量,頂多是考慮要買大一點的95,還是小巧一點的93而已....結論是,會買的就會買,不會買的就算減了70萬還是不會買,代理商可能也了解這一點,所以也不多做廣告,也不印什麼雜誌,連我買車的時候一本DM都沒有(發光了),一代理就是20幾年,這段期間,歐洲車廠的代理商沒換過的,也只剩雙B了...其他換來換去的品牌代理商.又怎麼會投入大量的資源與金錢在後勤上面哩?? 看來,SAAB可真的算是奇蹟呀

老實說,樓主你還是買A4吧...你買了93還是會想著A4...

GleamyStar

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GleamyStar

個人積分：58分

文章編號：9467004

小芳我就是愛 wrote:
A4 風阻0.27
9-3 呢?

93 SportSedan = 0.28 前後配重比 : 53:47
93 SportCombi = 0.33 前後配重比: 58:42

小芳我就是愛

7分

樓主

小芳我就是愛

個人積分：7分

文章編號：9467315

挖！4們跟5門的差這麼多阿!但5門的漂亮很多耶!audi跟saab一個年輕一個中規中矩,其實產品的路線真的很不一樣,面對未來的外觀設計,a4或許不會輸太多,但是saab的樣貌不會太顯目,年輕開a4是好但到了中年還有一樣的朝氣嗎?saab卻一樣能維持,真的是很難決定.......

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